Patriots 'part ways' with OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo

Triumph · Jan 25, 2016

Rex fired him or let him hit the pavement.

How he landed with NE always made me wonder why?

Tunescribe · Jan 25, 2016

Brady6 said:
My prediction is Dante Scarnecchia is going to come out of retirement.

He turns 68 in a few weeks, why would he want to go back to busting his ass as an assistant coach?

mrscruff · Jan 25, 2016

[quote uid=19571 name="mrscruff" post=4543862]Decent job in first year but the Patriots haven't been able to run consistently for 2 years (other than Dion Lewis' brilliance. Even when opposing D's have gone lighter in the box to counter the passing threat, the effectiveness was satisfactory.[/QUOTE]<br />

Sorry, meant unsatisfactory

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ensoul · Jan 25, 2016

BelichickFan said:
There's a ton of other stuff like techniques and the mental game with blitzes.

I know there are techniques and such but the bottom line is it doesn't take much brains to be an offensive lineman

It's not like there's a whole lot of plays these guys have to remember or routes to run. All they have to do is block the guy in front of them. Either they're good at it or they are not.

Players like cannon are not and no amount of coaching will ever change that.

Triumph · Jan 25, 2016

I could never spell his last name anyway.

Haley · Jan 25, 2016

So much for the 'genius' oline guy. Too bad we didn't strike gold but this just wasn't working.

raduray · Jan 25, 2016

Chris Carter approves.

Patsrock · Jan 25, 2016

ensoul said:
I know there are techniques and such but the bottom line is it doesn't take much brains to be an offensive lineman

It's not like there's a whole lot of plays these guys have to remember or routes to run. All they have to do is block the guy in front of them. Either they're good at it or they are not.

Players like cannon are not and no amount of coaching will ever change that.

OL have to know every play and where the play is designed to go. Not sure where they don't need brains to play OL. They have to know the audibles and line assignments.

SVN · Jan 25, 2016

Very surprised. A very unpatriot like move to make a decision day after the game, especially considering the injuries the oline dealt with this year. Googs cant fix cannon.

Wrath Mania · Jan 25, 2016

Triumph said:
Rex fired him or let him hit the pavement.

How he landed with NE always made me wonder why?

I mean, again, let's not get too revisionist here. He did a really good job last year. This year the line regressed, under very difficult circumstances. But I (would like to) think there are more reasons for his canning than just performance alone, certainly yesterday.

old 55 · Jan 25, 2016

Gronkowski123 said:
wasn't googs fault, the players didn't " do their job " in fact, must of them sucked. mason only allowed one pressure everyone else was bad. kline/cannon fodder and vollmer were disasters.

The fact is that the o line has taken a step back and o line players have regressed. I've heard that observation made by several parties and the O line coach must have his players getting better as the season progresses. If anything, the backups should have been better with the extra experience they gained filling in during the injuries. The fact is that Denver could pressure Brady even without a blitz or stunt. That's bad o line play.

zydecochris · Jan 25, 2016

Wrath Mania said:
Maybe I'm alone, but I find this move really surprising. People have short memories: by the end of last season we are all pretty high on Googe for being able to make do with a crappy unit. I get it, it only got worse this year, but there was a ton of injuries, and the constant revolving door is a lose-lose situation... I also don't know if blaming the regression of Stork is enough either. Are we throwing Chad O'Shea under the bus for LaFell? Did we kill Boyer for the way the CBs played until the Talib/Revis era?

Call me crazy, but outside of Dean Pees (who per Howe may have left on his own accord?) this move feels so unusual for NE that I wonder if there was an edict from "above" that heads had to roll for yesterday's failure. Also, this too is pure conjecture, but I wonder if McDaniels and Googe did not see eye to eye through the course of the season.

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 4m4 minutes ago
I can't even think of the last time the Patriots fired a coach.

I know that everyone is angry about yesterday's OL performance, but I had (previously) figured the melt down was due to a perfect storm of:
* An absolutely unbelievable number of injuries, including the all-important LT.
* Because of those injuries, an OL with virtually no continuity.
* This same inexperience OL (mostly playing out of position) being flustered by the maniacal noise of the Denver Fans in post season with the OT's evidently unable to hear the calls.
* A great pass rushing team that feeds on that maniacal fan noise and becomes even more dangerous.
* For some reason, the Pats historical just don't fare well in the post season in Denver.

Well, I guess that shows how much I know. The fact that BB fired Googe in day after the game shows that evidently there WAS some major coaching issue.

TomPatriot · Jan 25, 2016

First reaction. Are they going after Callahan? If they snag him, it would be better than Kate Upton . . . well, you get the drift.

Tunescribe · Jan 25, 2016

ensoul said:
I know there are techniques and such but the bottom line is it doesn't take much brains to be an offensive lineman

It's not like there's a whole lot of plays these guys have to remember or routes to run. All they have to do is block the guy in front of them. Either they're good at it or they are not.

You couldn't be more wrong. Offensive linemen do a ton of adjusting on the fly via calls at the line of scrimmage (normally from the center) and also by the quarterback vs. defensive alignments/movement -- all directly prior to snap. Some of the pre-snap protections call for split-second changes in assignment involving combination blocks, pulling and filling, etc. or changing from pass blocking to run blocking (and vice versa). Offensive linemen need to be very smart.

archstanton543 · Jan 25, 2016

SVN said:
Very surprised. A very unpatriot like move to make a decision day after the game, especially considering the injuries the oline dealt with this year. Googs cant fix cannon.

Then they need to find someone who can.

ViperGTS · Jan 25, 2016

SVN said:
Very surprised. A very unpatriot like move to make a decision day after the game, especially considering the injuries the oline dealt with this year. Googs cant fix cannon.

I'm not. I hate to see anyone lose their job but man there was some basic oline mistakes yesterday. He got a Super a Bowl ring and I'm grateful for that.

alvinnf · Jan 25, 2016

SVN said:
Very surprised. A very unpatriot like move to make a decision day after the game, especially considering the injuries the oline dealt with this year. Googs cant fix cannon.

Are you sure the last part of this statement is true? Stork good last year, cannon better last year. When guys are sliding backwards in that profession it's easy to link to ineffective coaching.

alvinnf · Jan 25, 2016

I would like to know what impact he had on the guys we drafted this year. Was he part of the identification process? If so, that could be problematic....

jboston19 · Jan 25, 2016

Didn't seem like a spur of the moment firing. I'm sure the replacement was figured out sometime ago. How soon the announcement is made may be a different story.

Froob · Jan 25, 2016

Wow holy ****, shocked. He seemed to do a pretty good job getting the line to turn things around last season for the SB run. Wonder if there's any chance Scar comes back.

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