Coaching has been horrible down the stretch and stupid today

skinnydog said:

Taking the 3 was a no brainier there. Really horrible coaching decision not too.

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Pretty sure this post is a no brainier

Btw, of course you go for it on 4th - that's not even a question

We were undefeated and winning in Denver during the 4th qtr….

Then we kept throwing instead of running the clock out. A mistake we also made against the Bills earlier in the season.

It came back to bite us again and again. Then Gronks knee got blown up and our whole season turned upside down.

luuked said:

And the Broncos had our number on defense.. but whatever.. like BB just said in the press conference.. lets turn the page..

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Of course he said that. In his mind he doesn't owe the fans any explanations.

We're NOT onto Carolina.

mosslost said:

They went against the percentages actually.

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Of course you don't elaborate on this

hambone1818 said:

I agree, I hated the 4th and 1 call with 6 minutes left. People say 'have faith in Brady to get that yard'...how about 'have faith in Brady to put another drive together'? Take the points, the defense (aside from the long Anderson run) had completely shut the Denver offense down in the second half, get the ball back and hope for a TD drive.

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Also, people act like converting that 4th down guaranteed getting a TD. It's at least equally possible (more than equally, i bet) that NE ends up burning another minute or two off the clock and ending up with a FG or turning it over on downs anyways.

And yes, I understand that the game isn't going to play out exactly the same with just that one play changed. On the other hand, the Denver offense did very little for the entire second half -- including when it was far too early for them to just turtle and try to play melt-the-clock. So I don't buy that DEN playing more aggressively on offense in the final 6 minutes would mean they'd suddenly be able to do stuff they weren't able to do in the entire second half.

condon84 said:

The gameplan was not working. At least if they go max protection Brady isn't under duress and might have avoided maybe one of those INTs.

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Think you missed the snap they did almost exactly that by adding an additional lineman (Fleming) who immediately gave up a sack.

luuked said:

Think you missed the snap they did almost exactly that by adding an additional lineman (Fleming) who immediately gave up a sack.

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they needed gronk to chip away at miller or stay back on a few downs to protect brady.

50-yard-line said:

Hard to second-guess this call or that - like BB not calling a timeout in the SB last year, or Carroll's decision to throw...second-guessing (hindsight) is way too easy.

my problem with the McDaniel's offense really came to its head this year. The team never cared about the run game. Ever. Throwing 50 times and catching a defense by surprise is one thing. Throw 50 times every game is something else.

The Pats OL clearly had little run blocking schemes or work adn so Denver said the hell with it and just ran balls out at Brady all day long. And how were they not even chipping Miller or Ware to help out?

Didn't want to play in Denver...

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This is where losing Develin and never trying to replace him with another capable fullback hurt the team. In combination with the loss of two veteran guards (Wendell and Connelly) this was another big personnel decision that haunted them throughout the year.

TommyBrady12 said:

they needed gronk to chip away at miller or stay back on a few downs to protect brady.

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Won't rewatch tape but am pretty sure I saw him stay in line blocking on quite a few early down plays. Of course that won't help if the interior of the OL is also collapsing.

TommyBrady12 said:

they needed gronk to chip away at miller or stay back on a few downs to protect brady.

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They needed Gronk to catch the ball, cause no one else was doing it. Should had put Chandler in to chip away and help with the block, also catch a few.

pats_premi said:

I might be alone here, but I am disppointed with OL coaching by Dave DeGuglielmo. They couldn't run the ball at all and yesterday 5/6 Olinemen couldn't block 3 pass rushers. They didn't get any better as the season progress. Is it time to look for a new OLine coach ?

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No, it's time for some new offensive linemen.

luuked said:

Think you missed the snap they did almost exactly that by adding an additional lineman (Fleming) who immediately gave up a sack.

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Brady got creamed 23 times in addition to countless hurries because of our gameplan. If your QB is getting molested at that rate, you have got to do something else if we're not moving down the field. I could see if we were at least moving the ball, you can justify Brady getting destroyed back there. But we weren't and yet we kept on with the same gameplan. Make an adjustment. Go max protect. Have two RBs back there to chip or to help with blocking, move him around. Where was the TE chipping? We didn't do any of those consistently. That one play is your argument?

It was a stubborn. Much like our 2007 SB loss. No in-game adjustment when your QB is getting destroyed.

MrNathanDrake said:

We were undefeated and winning in Denver during the 4th qtr….

Then we kept throwing instead of running the clock out. A mistake we also made against the Bills earlier in the season.

It came back to bite us again and again. Then Gronks knee got blown up and our whole season turned upside down.

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When exactly has this team demonstrated a consistent ability to run the clock out?

condon84 said:

Brady got creamed 23 times because of our gameplan. If your QB is getting molested at that rate, you have got to do something else right if we're not moving down the field. I could see if we were at least moving the ball, you can justify Brady getting destroyed back there. But we weren't and yet we kept on with the same gameplan. Make an adjustment. Go max protect. Have two RBs back there to help with blocking, move him around. We didn't do any of those consistently. That one play is your argument?

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I don't have an argument for why there were not more adjustments. I don't think it is as easy as saying we didn't chip and just needed to do that otherwise BB would have made that adjustment very quickly. Quite honestly I hope that someone does a deep post mortem analysis on the game tape from yesterday and explains what was going on there because to me it felt like everyone on the line was getting beat.. inside, outside..

The entire gameplan of the offense seemed to be completely ill-conceived given the competency of our OL which makes all of this even weirder. Either Josh and Bill completely misjudged how effective our OL could be or underestimated how good the Denver pass rush + coverage would be.

luuked said:

I don't have an argument for why there were not more adjustments. I don't think it is as easy as saying we didn't chip and just needed to do that otherwise BB would have made that adjustment very quickly. Quite honestly I hope that someone does a deep post mortem analysis on the game tape from yesterday and explains what was going on there because to me it felt like everyone on the line was getting beat.. inside, outside..

The entire gameplan of the offense seemed to be completely ill-conceived given the competency of our OL which makes all of this even weirder. Either Josh and Bill completely misjudged how effective our OL could be or underestimated how good the Denver pass rush + coverage would be.

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Agreed.

I'm just venting out my frustration lol.

The most help we could have given our OL was to have homefield advantage. Denver's edge rushers got off the LOS much quicker and crowd noise was probably a big factor in that.

have to improve on third down

absolutely rotten towards the end of the season. 2-15 yesterday...not gonna beat anyone with that ****

condon84 said:

The most help we could have given our OL was to have homefield advantage. Denver's edge rushers got off the LOS much quicker and crowd noise was probably a big factor in that.

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Matt Chatham tweeted yesterday during the game that a) Stork actually had a consistent tell (moving his head or something) when he was about to snap and b) we were using the same damn cadence the entire game to the point where tons of beat reporters and even players on other teams were calling it out. Which if both true also would explain why we struggled on the edge so much and how Ware/Miller were able to time their rushes so perfectly.





Why we could not change cadence a few times throughout the game is a mystery for me. I mean they could have practiced that right ? It couldn't have come as a surprise to anyone that it would be loud in Denver.

Those are actually coaching issue that would be worth discussing instead of the dreck that attracts people.

robertweathers said:

That's fine but BB didn't see it that way. In hindsight going for 3 made total sense.

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No, not in hindsight. It made perfect logical sense even before the decision was made.

I saw a slew of injuries...wonder if there was some common denominator. There were so many, that one has to wonder if other factors were involved...and if so, why they weren't spotted? Take the DEN game...Gronk was dehydrated. FYI: when I was in the Marines, the NCOIC's would make us take out our canteen and tell us to drink water right in front of them...they knew what would happen if people were lazy, forgetful, etc...

Then there's the decisions that led up to losing home-field advantage...many were questionable. Perhaps, there was not good strategy to move past it all? After all, it did not appear that the NE coaches had a strategy to defeat DEN. I've read that one reason why TB is so successful is because he can trust the coaches to do their jobs well. That's great. However, I do not believe they did their jobs well down the stretch...got out-coached quite a few times. I even heard BB say the coaching could improve along the way. Wasn't it evident in the DEN game that coaching was, in fact, an issue? Were they not prepared to play in DEN? Did they not have a strategy to beat DEN at least on one side of the ball? It did not appear they did to me.