23 hits on Brady...most on any QB since 2006

PatriotsPimp136 said:

I am no surprised. Denver was getting a jump on the ball. I fcking hate playing in that place. It all comes back to HFA

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Yep, all week I was too stubborn to see it for what it is. But no more. I am now convinced that venue is the New England Patriots own personal "Red Wedding".

sevengables_2207 said:

I would like to see the team sign another solid veteran to the IOL this offseason.

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Yea I don't know how sold they are on Tre Jackson. Like every rookie he had good plays and bad plays. Need another year of assessment.

I think Shaq is a keeper.

Kline is a fine backup. Him starting for a long stretch is bad news.

Unless they think Waddle is the answer they need to draft another OT as Cannon is way too inconsistent for my liking and Flemming is not very good.

hambone1818 said:

What am I missing with Cannon being put on an island with Miller all game, he had little TE help or chip blocks from RB's. It felt like every single time he was left with no help Miller had a free run at Brady. That is just unacceptable, and as bad as Cannon played I honestly don't fault him...he's not a mobile lineman, leaving him to cover the MOST athletic edge rusher in football by himself is a recipe for disaster.

The solution, of course, is 'bring in better linemen', but then the line looked like a strength for the team a few weeks into the season before the injuries started piling up. Healthy Solder, then Vollmer's over there. Once you lose that LT things go to hell on any team. So yea, another quality tackle would help, but ultimately they need health and consistency. And at least for this game I blame the coaching. Why didn't they run some passes over Miller's head as he was coming in practically free (ala Edelman in the flat on that failed 4th down), you try to neutralize the pressure with plays in that direction.

I don't know...it wasn't pretty, and Brady was clearly rattled but still battled like a champion. Tip your cap to the Denver D and especially Miller but there was a huge dose of bad coaching imo that contributed to the offensive struggles.

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If wasn't Miller it was Ware or Wolfe or M. Jackson etc... They couldn't even slow them down. It was ridiculous.

I don't know if it was because of the injuries, inexperience, poor coaching or a combination of the three.

The NFL needs to expand the roster.

robertweathers said:

Yea I don't know how sold they are on Tre Jackson. Like every rookie he had good plays and bad plays. Need another year of assessment.

I think Shaq is a keeper.

Kline is a fine backup. Him starting for a long stretch is bad news.

Unless they think Waddle is the answer they need to draft another OT as Cannon is way too inconsistent for my liking and Flemming is not very good.

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I am with you on this. I would like to see them upgrade the #3 and #4 OT spot via the draft.

The IOL should improve with another year of experience and work in the weight room/training. But just in case, the team should try and find a solid veteran interior offensive lineman.

sevengables_2207 said:

Yep, all week I was too stubborn to see it for what it is. But no more. I am now convinced that venue is the New England Patriots own personal "Red Wedding".

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It's gotta be the biggest HFA in all of football, right? Never mind the Pats, any visiting team is 1. travelling pretty far, since very few teams play near that region and most are travelling a time zone or two, 2. is an incredibly loud venue, with fans who go bonkers and keep the visiting offense from audibling and varying snap counts, and 3. the thin air...Gronk was an absolute monster yesterday but he was also hurting, and it all stemmed from that long catch and run, he was gassed after that. You can't acclimate in two days, any visiting team is at a severe disadvantage because of the altitude.

I forgot how much I hate Denver but never again. If it's NE or Denver with the #1 seed I say throw the kitchen sink at it to keep any matchup out of Denver.

Tony2046 said:

If wasn't Miller it was Ware or Wolfe or M. Jackson etc... They couldn't even slow them down. It was ridiculous.

I don't know if it was because of the injuries, inexperience, poor coaching or a combination of the three.

The NFL needs to expand the roster.

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The roster size isn't the issue, if we have more bodies so does the opposition, the problem is we have several O-lineman that shouldn't even be on the roster. BB does NOT sufficiently invest in the Oline.

Tony2046 said:

If wasn't Miller it was Ware or Wolfe or M. Jackson etc... They couldn't even slow them down. It was ridiculous.

I don't know if it was because of the injuries, inexperience, poor coaching or a combination of the three.

The NFL needs to expand the roster.

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Sure, Ware on the other side was getting pressure too. Wolfe and Jackson clogged the middle and got a few hits on Brady. But the one constant was Miller, all game long, seemingly every play. I get that you can only do so much to contain the D-line but I don't think they did enough on Miller. As I said I think a few screens in his direction were at least worth a shot.

Maybe there was nothing they could have done and you just tip your hat to the Broncos D (which I do anyway), but I didn't see enough adjustments--both in personnel and blocking, and in playcalling--to try and neutralize Miller.

hambone1818 said:

What am I missing with Cannon being put on an island with Miller all game, he had little TE help or chip blocks from RB's.

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By the snap counts, he had help fairly often.

Fleming, Chandler, Williams totaled 27 snaps, a majority trying to help Cannon IIRC
No effect.

I dont agree with it was coaching solely it came down to injuries on the o line coupled with being strapped on play calls.
We could of used something to keep the oline from teeing off on Brady.
A flip toss a reverse a bubble screen something to keep Brady standing.
I think Shula will have a much better gameplan coupled with a neutral venue and a athletic QB. I think Carolina blows out Denver.
We will never know how we would of matched up with Carolina.

hambone1818 said:

What am I missing with Cannon being put on an island with Miller all game, he had little TE help or chip blocks from RB's. It felt like every single time he was left with no help Miller had a free run at Brady. That is just unacceptable, and as bad as Cannon played I honestly don't fault him...he's not a mobile lineman, leaving him to cover the MOST athletic edge rusher in football by himself is a recipe for disaster.

The solution, of course, is 'bring in better linemen', but then the line looked like a strength for the team a few weeks into the season before the injuries started piling up. Healthy Solder, then Vollmer's over there. Once you lose that LT things go to hell on any team. So yea, another quality tackle would help, but ultimately they need health and consistency. And at least for this game I blame the coaching. Why didn't they run some passes over Miller's head as he was coming in practically free (ala Edelman in the flat on that failed 4th down), you try to neutralize the pressure with plays in that direction.

I don't know...it wasn't pretty, and Brady was clearly rattled but still battled like a champion. Tip your cap to the Denver D and especially Miller but there was a huge dose of bad coaching imo that contributed to the offensive struggles.

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This was my biggest beef in the game. It was soooooo stubborn of McD to not do something about this matchup on a consistent basis.

ViperGTS said:

But it wasn't last year either. He got hammered against Seattle for instance. They have serious issues and that I fully expect to be worse next year. Nothing, from coaching to player ability gives me much hope. I hope I'm wrong. I just feel something died in Denver. Something that is so flawed was exposed. Most teams won't be able to exploit it, but the good D-line teams will.

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You are saying this because it is the day after a frustrating loss to an annoying team in a frustrating season. The OL got abused in the AFCCG against the Ravens three years ago and last year they won the SB. The OL can be fixed and it will.

What got exposed is they have kids (or in Kline's case a JAG) playing the interior and there are way too many breakdowns. Strangely, they missed the experience of Wendell and certainly Connolly, however mediocre they might be. It was very hard for Brady to step up even when Cannon and Volmer were doing their jobs and keeping the edge rushers wide because the interior push was a least decent on nearly every play.

What was more frustrating to watch was the lack of technique on most plays that Ware, Miller and Williams used. Other than the standard spin move and a few rip moves here and there, most of the time they just blew by or through the OL. As an OL coach, how to you stop that? The Broncos' Dline seemed to play on adrenaline for 4 quarters. Were they stealing some of Ashley's HGH? Were they just faster and stronger? Did they know the snap counts? Was it the crowd noise (not really buying that one)?

It also hurts in today's NFL to have an immobile QB. I know he has gotten better and had a nice run yesterday, but a more mobile QB escapes some of those rushes. I'd still take the guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This is going to sound awful but would Jimmy G of been able to escape some of that pressure yesterday?

If I was TomB, I'd go into BillB's office and threaten him to get better players on the OL, tell the OL coach to do a better job, and get me a running game to take pressure off me...

Bring him back

Dion Lewis says hi.
We looked unstoppable with him in the lineup.

ChrisR2223 said:

This is going to sound awful but would Jimmy G of been able to escape some of that pressure yesterday?

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You are right.

Bring back Charlie to work with Mcdaniels not replace him.
I think sometimes having 2 strong offensive minds is necessary.

ChrisR2223 said:

Dion Lewis says hi.
We looked unstoppable with him in the lineup.

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Yeah, if he can last a full season...

KontradictioN said:

I would cut Fleming tomorrow. He's absolute trash and he's as soft as cake. At no point should he be relied upon to protect Brady.

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He should've been cut after letting Von Miller run a circle around him and not even touching him. He and Cannon were pathetic