Coaching has been horrible down the stretch and stupid today

luuked said:

What makes you think we would have been able to get back to the redzone ? The Patriots offense was terrible in the entire game.

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their starting safeties were out at that point.

Denver managed 3pts in the second half. How big was that fg at the end of the half. Seriously , manning was toast. People on here actually think he was gonna put together a drive. Seriously, the staff, succcked! It's ok, but they sukked!

luuked said:

What makes you think we would have been able to get back to the redzone ? The Patriots offense was terrible in the entire game.

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they did get back.. that might be why

DaBruinz said:

And if Manning runs out the clock, you'd be *****ing that they didn't go for it on 4th and 1. Fact is that going for it was the CORRECT CALL. The actual play call was horrible. They could have attempted to draw Denver off-sides. If they are going to call a play, why not use the old direct snap to the RB while Brady pretends it went over his head. THAT play is perfect for when teams think you are going to pass it..

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Or we'd be *****ing that the D couldn't make a stop, when they needed too.


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Not reading through 9 pages. Not taking the FG was ridiculous when we had been stopping them on O all 2nd half. It might not have won the game, but I KNEW there was no way we were scoring a TD and a 2 pointer right after.

One other thing, geniuses!!! Our best chance to win was to give the ball back to manning. You kick the FG!!!!!! Not a challenging concept...

archstanton543 said:

What? Denver scored 20 points. That's hardly "stopping everything Denver was doing".

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3 points in the 2nd half. And that drive started around the Broncos 40 yd line if i recall. Defense got stunned a bit early by Manning, but played excellent after that. 6 pts in the last, what, 45 mins? Good enough to win, for sure.

RayClay said:

No, you play with what you have. They mix it up and Denver is forced into different coverages, or pass rushers keep running and tackling air.

They didn't assume they needed to be creative, deceptive, get quick openers? It's been that way for months.

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Not sure when/if I will be watching the All22 but my initial impression was that Denver simply flooded the near and intermediate game and was able to cover up the first and sometimes second read until the pass rush got to Brady.

We tried draw plays and some screens but Denver actually sniffed all of them out pretty consistently. Again if you bring an EXTRA lineman and the first play still results in an immediate sack then there are more fundamental issues at work.

blackglass3 said:

Not reading through 9 pages. Not taking the FG was ridiculous when we had been stopping them on O all 2nd half. It might not have won the game, but I KNEW there was no way we were scoring a TD and a 2 pointer right after.

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If you knew there was no way we were scoring a TD there why would you think they'd put together another TD drive after that? Are scoring TDs easier when you don't know you need a 2 pt conversion after?

mosslost said:

they did get back.. that might be why

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Yeah and they started from the 50 instead of their own 10-20 like in all previous drives and still needed two flukey fourth down conversations against double coverage for that.

May the odds be in your favor.. right ?

luuked said:

Not sure when/if I will be watching the All22 but my initial impression was that Denver simply flooded the near and intermediate game and was able to cover up the first and sometimes second read until the pass rush got to Brady.

We tried draw plays and some screens but Denver actually sniffed all of them out pretty consistently. Again if you bring an EXTRA lineman and the first play still results in an immediate sack then there are more fundamental issues at work.

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Like i said, Denver didn't have 14 players. I saw five players within yards of gronkowski on one play. WTF? Where's the adjustments? White, chandler and LaFell aen't game breakers, but cheesus, you can only cover so many and get 2-3 rushers too. It's simple arithmetic.

alvinnf said:

One other thing, geniuses!!! Our best chance to win was to give the ball back to manning. You kick the FG!!!!!! Not a challenging concept...

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Belichick has been making very poor coaching decisions for months

RayClay said:

Like i said, Denver didn't have 14 players. I saw five players within yards of gronkowski on one play. WTF? Where's the adjustments? White, chandler and LaFell aen't game breakers, but cheesus, you can only cover so many and get 2-3 rushers too. It's simple arithmetic.

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Holy hyperbole.. never saw more than 2 players consistently around Gronk but whatever.. main issue is that we are simply too one dimensional. We either need to be able to have a credible 1st/2nd down running threat or a WR that is a credible down field threat to open up more space in the intermediate game.

When we play against teams that have great coverage personnel AND a formidable pass rush we usually run into those problems. They flood he zone, disrupt timing and can get through our sieve OL to Brady before he can get to his third read.

At the minim the pats needed a FG and a td to take the lead. For some reason they love to complicate things and take needless risks.

The Denver offense was not doing **** in the second half so it's not like the pats were not getting the ball back.

That was flat out idiotic play calling and it cost the pats the game. Of course since it's BB he will never own up to it and make some typical bs "we do what we think gives us the best chance to win."

luuked said:

Holy hyperbole.. never saw more than 2 players consistently around Gronk but whatever.. main issue is that we are simply too one dimensional. We either need to be able to have a credible 1st/2nd down running threat or a WR that is a credible down field threat to open up more space in the intermediate game.

When we play against teams that have great coverage personnel AND a formidable pass rush we usually run into those problems. They flood he zone, disrupt timing and can get through our sieve OL to Brady before he can get to his third read.

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I didn't say consistenly. It's on tape.

mosslost said:

Belichick has been making very poor coaching decisions for months

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He has been making the same decisions for years. But for some reason there is only criticism when the outcome is not favorable. If we screw up the double pass last year I am sure the same people that critizise everything now will spew garbage about how we threw momentum and the game away with a gadget play.

But it works and suddenly McD is a genius for calling it.

RayClay said:

I didn't say consistenly. It's on tape.

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Like I said I am not sure I will torture myself through the All22 of this game but my live impression was that we tried a few things (screens, draw plays, runs, misdirections) but Denver didn't bite so we went back and hoped we could outplay them with our usual stuff and break a few.

The one thing I am very disappointed about is that Josh & Co. couldn't find a matchup they could exploit in the entire Denver defense. They all played very disciplined and consistent today.

If only Bill would have coached up Ghost on that PAT Seriously guys Denver scored a whole 3 points in the second half, could that have anything to do with the coaches' second half adjustments? Hindsight is 20/20. It's not like we were moving the ball up the field at will on this tough defense until the final minutes of the game.

luuked said:

Like I said I am not sure I will torture myself through the All22 of this game but my live impression was that we tried a few things (screens, draw plays, runs, misdirections) but Denver didn't bite so we went back and hoped we could outplay them with our usual stuff and break a few.

The one thing I am very disappointed about is that Josh & Co. couldn't find a matchup they could exploit in the entire Denver defense. They all played very disciplined and consistent today.

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I'm talking about the TV feed. Absolutely saw plays where Pats receivers were bunched to the right and on the left short/intermediate area was an expanse, with zero Broncos, large enough to graze a herd of cattle.

If you don't think this was a problem/reason why we lost, that's fine.

ensoul said:

At the minim the pats needed a FG and a td to take the lead. For some reason they love to complicate things and take needless risks.

The Denver offense was not doing **** in the second half so it's not like the pats were not getting the ball back.

That was flat out idiotic play calling and it cost the pats the game. Of course since it's BB he will never own up to it and make some typical bs "we do what we think gives us the best chance to win."

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In that situation... with SB on the line.. not kicking the FG very stupid coaching call