Coaching has been horrible down the stretch and stupid today

glm · Jan 24, 2016

mosslost said:
"chicken little" lol

Compelling argument. And yes, that's what you are.

sambam94 · Jan 24, 2016

GodBrady said:
You have to take the points there. You have to.

The thing is, we were down by 8. As we saw, even with a touchdown, it's still comes down to a coinflip to decide if we are successful on the 2-point conversion or not. If you're Belichick there, you have to assume that you're going to have to score twice to win.

I mean, suppose they score a TD and complete the 2PC successfully. Then what? It's 20-20. You still need another score to win the game. Best case scenario is basically taking is it to overtime.

The big thing to remember is that, yeah, we stopped Denver time and time again late in the game. However, they had a lead and were running out the clock at that point. If it were 20-20, they would've been much more aggressive.

Awful, awful decision. I understand going for it on 4th down the second time, but when we went for it with like 6 minutes left it was egregiously bad. This isn't hindsight bias. I thought this at the time too.

I agree....but I think they should have even kicked the FG the 2nd time down there. They had all 3 time outs and the 2 minute warning left. Like you said, needing the TD and the 2 pointer..just for the tie? Getting the 2 pointer IMO is just as hard as getting the TD

glm · Jan 24, 2016

mosslost said:
dumb

Another compelling argument. You're really compelling us with all this sports knowledge you claim you have.

Betterthanmost · Jan 24, 2016

It is kind of interesting that BB's rule proposal came back to bite us in a crucial game.

mosslost · Jan 24, 2016

Kjmass1 said:
Thank you. What if we score a FG but give up a TD. Now we're down 12. Now what?

why don't guys take a look at what ACTUALLY happened instead of making such a stupid argument.. What actually happened was the Pats D got us the ball back TWICE after that. One of those times we scored a TD but guess what we were still down 2?? huh that's weird. Now if they had kicked that FG?? Come kids you can do better than that.

luuked · Jan 24, 2016

mosslost said:
give it up kid you have no clue what you are even trying to say. The Pats needed those 3 points and it was obvious.

Ok so you are essentially only a troll that just shouts around and can't logically explain their thoughts. Gotcha..

sieglo · Jan 24, 2016

Why is this even a question? You take the 3. Your D is playing lights out and it puts all the pressure on the playoff's greatest choke artist to sustain a drive. If you're lucky you get a pick 6 out of it. If not, they punt and you've got the GOAT and plenty of time to get a TD.

luuked · Jan 24, 2016

mosslost said:
why don't guys take a look at what ACTUALLY happened instead of making such a stupid argument.. What actually happened was the Pats D got us the ball back TWICE after that. One of those times we scored a TD but guess what we were still down 2?? huh that's weird. Now if they had kicked that FG?? Come kids you can do better than that.

Again, you moron. If we kick the field goal the entire game afterwards will be different and not a 1:1 carbon copy of what happened. When will you finally realize that fallacy ?

pheenix11 · Jan 24, 2016

Hanging your hopes on a two point conversion is a horrible position to be in. Kick the FG, there was plenty of time left and your defense is playing phenomenal.

PittPatriot · Jan 24, 2016

skinnydog said:
Taking the 3 was a no brainier there. Really horrible coaching decision not too.

I agree with going for 3.
If Tomlin or Andy Reid or some other "stupid" coach did what we did, they would get skewered on our board. We have the best coaches in the biz...but whether it was BB or the urging of Ernie Adams, I disagreed with the call (both times) at the moment they happened.

Gronk · Jan 24, 2016

tmajr3 said:
Everyone on this board that praises BB for his great decisions, consistently refuses to critique him for his bad one. The 4th and 2 and the 2 FGs today were dumb football decisions

Only if you subscribe to the idea that ultra-conservative, don't-lose-until-you-have-to-because-less-criticism is the only way to coach. He saw the way the game was going and moving the ball had been a struggle. He was trying to WIN the game. I don't begrudge him that. I never will. Many games NE has won because BB has a sack the size of Jupiter, but those decisions get glossed over and rolled into the record book without specific fanfare. When it doesn't work out people want to crucify him, I get it. Dude ain't scared of criticism or losing, it's a big reason he wins MORE THAN ANYONE EVER. Deal with it, or root for someone else.

luuked · Jan 24, 2016

sieglo said:
Why is this even a question? You take the 3. Your D is playing lights out and it puts all the pressure on the playoff's greatest choke artist to sustain a drive. If you're lucky you get a pick 6 out of it. If not, they punt and you've got the GOAT and plenty of time to get a TD.

So you have more trust into Brady driving for approximately 80 yards against a defense that hit him over 20 times and kept him without a TD than him getting 1 yard. Yeah because that makes sense..

LightSkinSmurf · Jan 24, 2016

Kjmass1 said:
Most players on IR in the league and we were in the AFC Championship game. Cut BB some slack.

We had enough of our key guys healthy enough to win this game. Injuries are not why we lost.

mosslost · Jan 24, 2016

luuked said:
Ok so you are essentially only a troll that just shouts around and can't logically explain their thoughts. Gotcha..

You have not made a single point that made any sense on this matter. Instead you made up a fairy tale that if we had kicked the FG the space time continuum changes and then our D no longer can stop them like what actually happened in the game we stopped them twice after? Your voodoo if we has kicked the FG all the sudden Manning is driving down the field just because we kicked the FG? Are you seriously making that as your point?

glm · Jan 24, 2016

mosslost said:
why don't guys take a look at what ACTUALLY happened instead of making such a stupid argument.. What actually happened was the Pats D got us the ball back TWICE after that. One of those times we scored a TD but guess what we were still down 2?? huh that's weird. Now if they had kicked that FG?? Come kids you can do better than that.

You're trying to use hindsight to fuel your argument which makes it irrelevant.

NE_Zealot · Jan 24, 2016

I don't understand the need for name-calling in here. Crushing loss no doubt but be sensible. Save the vitriol for opposing fanbases that deserve it, i.e. Jets, Colts, Ravens etc.

Kjmass1 · Jan 24, 2016

mosslost said:
why don't guys take a look at what ACTUALLY happened instead of making such a stupid argument.. What actually happened was the Pats D got us the ball back TWICE after that. One of those times we scored a TD but guess what we were still down 2?? huh that's weird. Now if they had kicked that FG?? Come kids you can do better than that.

If you think the exact same plays would be called after making a FG, along with the same outcomes, then your argument would make sense. Everything changes.

FourierSeries · Jan 24, 2016

Should have taken the 3, and we'd be off to SB50. We didn't play our best game, but played well enough to win.

Oh well. Can't win em all.

luuked · Jan 24, 2016

mosslost said:
You have not made a single point that made any sense on this matter. Instead you made up a fairy tale that if we had kicked the FG the space time continuum changes and then our D no longer can stop them like what actually happened in the game we stopped them twice after? Your voodoo if we has kicked the FG all the sudden Manning is driving down the field just because we kicked the FG? Are you seriously making that as your point?

You are the person who makes up this magic time continuum by saying everything stays exactly the same. There is no reason to assume that. Denver starts at a different spot, uses different play calls and suddenly someone gets injured. You can't just assume everything will go down exactly the same for gods sake.. why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp ?

heavyde050 · Jan 24, 2016

luuked said:
Completely disagree.. you have not been moving the ball well at all, you are deep in their territory and just need a single yard. I would agree that the actual playcall on 4th & 1 was stupid but the decision to go for it given the context was reasonable.

The bigger issue is not kicking the FG on 4 and 6

Coaching has been horrible down the stretch and stupid today

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