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Yep. Even when the team is most likely in transition 5 to 7 years from now it won't feel like 1983, 1992 or 2000.

There will always be hope and always the memory of knowing that this team from 2001 to whenever was the baddest dynasty the NFL has ever seen.

See San Fran, Dallas or Pittsburgh.. San Fran/Dallas less so, but winning like losing becomes a gold standard and raises our hopes.

While we criticize the current ineptitude of the 49'ers in the recesses of my mind the good years outweigh the current stretch.. the same with Dallas. Pittsburgh has carried on their winning traditions, but if you look at the greatest commonality they all have great QB's...

No matter what it looks like in the future, these are great memories.. read an interesting piece the other day how Kraft attends the daily morning meetings for this team, does not provide input, but gains knowledge on what it takes to win. No matter the future this attitude will continue..
 
Nice post, patfanken!

For me, I try to enjoy the week online and on-screen. After "CameraPlacementGate" and "The WitchHunt", I am FAR MORE cynical about anything nationally, although it was nice to read the ESPN's Big Reveal, the NYT article on The WitchHunt, and even Brady's Dishwasher friend.

I'm still laughing at the reddit BIG RANT by theDashRendar and am seriously thinking about buying a bottle of Ashley Manning's favorite single malt!

I am savoring these moments leading up to the "Battle of Denver". May the game be competitive, evenly officiated, and relatively injury-free.

IMO, more is on the line than last year's AFCC. Either Brady goes to the Super Bowl and Peyton goes into the sunset with a bitter defeat, or, ... &%#$%(*$#%

I'm pumped. This is Game #2 of this year's 3 Games To Glory! Enjoy!

Go Pats!!!!
 
Do not see them deviating all that much from the pass game, might use the run situationally, or even use Jackson as a decoy.. but this makeshift line probably cannot open the holes necessary.

Always thought our run game was really the short passing game.. Edelman, White and sometimes Gronk... stick was works best.

You mention Brady being the same guy as he was in SB 36, remember that day I was thinking what is going to Brady's mind and he must be jumpy as hell.. later I learned he took a nap on a bench in the locker room with head phones on, that is one of the gazillion things that make us different.. not sure I could have managed the anxiety.
Half of us on this board can't manage the anxiety and we're just watching.
 
Kubiak's running attack is based on running the stretch play. It is designed to get everyone moving sideways before the RB makes a decisive North/South cut hoping to get a LB to over run the play or a DLman getting cut off from protecting the back side. It is also accompanied by a zone blocking scheme designed to get the DL off their feet with cut blocks (and chop blocks)

Everything in the Kubiak offense comes off this single play. You get all the bootlegs, misdirection reverses and trap plays. It is simple to describe, but a lot more difficult to defend.

but one can reasonably assume this lesson is learned to some significant extent
and with upgrade personnel to execute
i believe they'll take the risk and take any chance they possibly can to prevent this in the red zone

that's why i wouldn't discount their pass
and especially sanders who's one of the most dangerous once he gets the ball
(i would enjoy so much watching him under brady's command)
 
The key to defending the stretch, as you know, is to be able to set the edge, wall it off and maintaining gap discipline. It's all about gap discipline and keeping your face in your gap to take away the crease, and that's where Hightower excels, not just with his uncanny ability to scrape and meet the RB at the hole, but as the brain of the defense, he ensures everyone is in the right place at the right time. When he went out, you could start to see linemen and backers ending up in the wrong place, getting turned by their blockers and that is how creases got opened up- holes you could drive a truck through.

So what I honestly expect to see executed is nothing fancy, other than proper fundamentals, (rather than exotic scheming) i.e., emphasizing the linemen to stay square up front and not get turned, or knocked off their feet as you mentioned, and just let the backers make the plays. I imagine that this is one thing BB has drilled into the squad, and hopefully they hold true to this, and especially for the edge defenders so they can shed blocks and take away the cutback.

I really would be surprised to see the DL in attack mode rather than focusing on maintaining the wall and letting the backers do their jobs.
You beat me to it...the fact is, the run defense was absolutely night & day with Hightower out. I think most of us understand what the Denver offense is.
 
You beat me to it...the fact is, the run defense was absolutely night & day with Hightower out. I think most of us understand what the Denver offense is.

Based on what Patfanken said, I am having a hard enough time dealing with thoughts of limited Collins availability - don't even think of Hightower being anything less than full go.

So, from my lips..........Hightower plays all game and is his usual menacing self -- Collins only comes out in the middle of the 4th when the game is safely tucked away. Jones will be Jones, sack city.

I am one of the originals, having attended the first ever Pats game (VS the Broncos no less) at BU Field, back when I couldn't see over the rails in front of me -- I just want to take a moment to THANK Patfanken for all of his hard work and tremendously exciting articles he posts.

They have become a must read for me, best of all that is around by far. I go back to when Rob Hobson and Will McDonough thought they ruled the written word, right through to the truly ugly Borges and Cafardo, when they thought they mattered (they never did) and finally, on to the must read Reiss days (I still like Mike but ESPN has pretty much ruined his originality and freedom).

Ken -- thanks again and I look forward to three more posts from you, post game Denver celebration, Super Bowl pre-game and of course, Super Bowl L back to back victory column. You rock buddy!!
 
I thought I read somewhere that Amendola was out as well as Jackson.....

Is that true?
 
I feel like this is the game Steven Jackson was signed for... Can he make Denver pay for playing too many DBs?
 
I thought I read somewhere that Amendola was out as well as Jackson.....

Is that true?
TRE Jackson (guard) is out, not Steven Jackson. I haven't seen anything about Amendola being out...
 
heh...That's great...At least Pats have a big RB in the game ...LOL

I'll have to research that Amendola out article.......hope it's not true.....

Go Pats !
 
Based on what Patfanken said, I am having a hard enough time dealing with thoughts of limited Collins availability - don't even think of Hightower being anything less than full go.

So, from my lips..........Hightower plays all game and is his usual menacing self -- Collins only comes out in the middle of the 4th when the game is safely tucked away. Jones will be Jones, sack city.

I am one of the originals, having attended the first ever Pats game (VS the Broncos no less) at BU Field, back when I couldn't see over the rails in front of me -- I just want to take a moment to THANK Patfanken for all of his hard work and tremendously exciting articles he posts.

They have become a must read for me, best of all that is around by far. I go back to when Rob Hobson and Will McDonough thought they ruled the written word, right through to the truly ugly Borges and Cafardo, when they thought they mattered (they never did) and finally, on to the must read Reiss days (I still like Mike but ESPN has pretty much ruined his originality and freedom).

Ken -- thanks again and I look forward to three more posts from you, post game Denver celebration, Super Bowl pre-game and of course, Super Bowl L back to back victory column. You rock buddy!!
I wasn't at the first game, but my dad took me to one later that season. It was the win against the Titans. My first pro game. What a thrill.

BTW- thanks for the flattering remarks and the trip down memory lane. Ron Hobson, of the Quincy Patriot Ledger. I haven't thought about that name in a LONG time. But he was a major football writer back then, writing for a local suburban paper. How much has the newspaper business changed over the years. In another thread they are talking about how to help a guy get to see the game in freakin Myammar. How crazy is that. I remember when a portable transistor radio what high technology. :D. All this all in one lifetime, amazing.
 
I thought I read somewhere that Amendola was out as well as Jackson.....

Is that true?
Tre Jackson and Waddle are the two that are OUT as of now.
 
Tre Jackson and Waddle are the two that are OUT as of now.
Ah, Waddle. Okay. That sucks because if Vollmer gets hurt, they've got tackle problems again. Guess you can't have depth everywhere at the second-to-last game of the year, though...
 
The depth that was a strength at the beginning of the year was truly needed as the Pats have been pretty decimated by injuries.......Is it a conditioning problem or just freak crap that happens ???

My guess is every team plays full tilt when playing the Pats and as a result injuries become more likely....that and crappy luck.

Let's hope Pats can make it thru this game with no more injuries, win and go into the Supe with a roster that's not completely hobbled.......

In the end I have to believe luck evens out like the flip of a coin........
 
Half of us on this board can't manage the anxiety and we're just watching.

I met Bob and Myra Kraft at the Superbowl pregame party in Houston (at the Johnson Space Center). Myra told me a story about golfing with Brady and Bledsoe.

Last hole, last tough putt for the win for Brady. There was talk of a bet before Brady took the shot.

Myra Kraft looked me in the eye, got suddenly VERY intense and said, "Tom Brady makes that shot."
 
BTW- I woke up this morning and realized I forgot one item from last night. -

I recently read that the Jets GM won the pro football writers association Executive of the Year. My immediate reaction, was "why not, he did a good job rebuilding a very bad roster", certainly as good as anyone." Later PFT gave out its awards and of course there were no Patriots players, executive, or coaches mentions. Now it it isn't surprising. It is easy to take for granted the work that is done by the Pats profootball operations team, especially when there isn't an officially designated GM to account for.

But when you think about all the work that is done to build this team and maintain it so consistently through THREE iterations it is astounding. I guess it is so astounding it gets ignored, since you can't give it to them every year.

Think about this. The Pats WON a superbowl and then proceeded to dismantle their entire CB group and lost their top 4 guys. All of whom were starters at one point, and 2 were all pros,yet somehow they managed to put together a secondary that was every bit as good as last year's even after losing their #2 guy to the IR early in the season. And yet they are one game away from going back. :eek:

They only have ONE offensive lineman that is playing the same position as he did in last season's superbowl, and HE missed more than half the year. And yet they are one game away from going back. :eek:

They LED the league in plays going on IR, starter games lost to injuries, and have 16 players listed as Questionable on the injury report going into today's game, yet are almost universally favored. :eek:

I look on in amazement when I hear the mediots marvel at the fact that the Pats are going to their TENTH AFCCG in the last 15 years. Where were they when the the number was 9 or 8 or 7. All those would be immortal an accomplishment for most teams

Somewhere there should be a clue that what the Pats are doing every year to build their roster is pretty good. The last 5 years (which is about the length of a generation in NFL term) they have been drafting between 28th and 32nd. That is a huge disadvantage not being able to at least have a shot at a elite prospect. Since 2oo1 the Pats have had only one draft pick in the top 10, and that was Mayo at 10. They have had only ONE draft pick from the teens (Solder at 17) in the last 15 YEARS. All there other draft picks they have been picking in the 20's and 30's.....and that is in EVERY round. AMAZING!

Football is supposed to be cyclical - Teams go on runs and then they slip for a year or two, even the so called elite franchises. Look at the Ravens who couldn't even get to the playoffs after their superbowl win. Look at the Steelers, Niners, Saints, etc Only the Niners of the Rice/Montana/Young years come even close and they operated under a completely different set of competitive circumstances.

OK I'm rambling again. But the bottom line is I hope we as fans appreciate what an amazing organization we have building our team each year. Kudo's to Nick Caserio and all his staff and thank you Bill Bellichick for creating this football utopia, and allowing us to come along for the ride.

If we lose this game or the next our haters will surely get on our case, and I guess I can understand why. But really they are whistling in the wind, since they have so little and we have so much. And the real scary part is, that with 18 IR guys coming back to compete with the 53 that is likely to take us to the Superbowl, NEXT year's team should be stronger, deeper, and more experienced than this one.

Does Roger Goodell really think the loss of our first round pick is going to end his annual nightmare. All it really does is make my April less interesting and make a very frustrated man because of the injustice of it all.
 
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If not, then we'll be forced to try and see what Bolden can do with another 15 or so carries. Either way, yes--I do expect more rushing attempts, even if they don't come in the first 1/3 or first 1/2 of the matchup.
Forget this plan B. Bolden is horrible.....it will be Jackson and White or BUST in the running game!!!
 
Yep. Even when the team is most likely in transition 5 to 7 years from now it won't feel like 1983, 1992 or 2000.

There will always be hope and always the memory of knowing that this team from 2001 to whenever was the baddest dynasty the NFL has ever seen.

This will be Tommy LomBrady's 31st playoff game in the 14 years he has started as an NFL QB. That means that he has averaged 2.2 playoff games per season, counting the 0 games in 2002. That is beyond incredible.
 
BTW- I woke up this morning and realized I forgot one item from last night. -

I recently read that the Jets GM won the pro football writers association Executive of the Year. My immediate reaction, was "why not, he did a good job rebuilding a very bad roster", certainly as good as anyone." Later PFT gave out its awards and of course there were no Patriots players, executive, or coaches mentions. Now it it isn't surprising. It is easy to take for granted the work that is done by the Pats profootball operations team, especially when there isn't an officially designated GM to account for.

But when you think about all the work that is done to build this team and maintain it so consistently through THREE iterations it is astounding. I guess it is so astounding it gets ignored, since you can't give it to them every year.

Think about this. The Pats WON a superbowl and then proceeded to dismantle their entire CB group and lost their top 4 guys. All of whom were starters, and 2 were all pros, yet somehow they managed to put together a secondary that was every bit as good as last year's even after losing their #2 guy to the IR early in the season. And yet they are one game away from going back. :eek:

They only have ONE offensive lineman that is playing the same position as he did in last season's superbowl, and HE missed more than half the year. And yet they are one game away from going back. :eek:

They LED the league in plays going on IR, starter games lost to injuries, and have 16 players listed as Questionable on the injury report going into today's game, yet are almost universally favored. :eek:

I look on in amazement when I hear the mediots marvel at the fact that the Pats are going to their TENTH AFCCG in the last 15 years. Where were they when the the number was 9 or 8 or 7. All those would be immortal accomplishment for most teams

Somewhere there should be a clue that what the Pats are doing every year to build their roster is pretty good. The last 5 years (which is about the length of a generation in NFL term) they have been drafting between 28th and 32nd. That is a huge disadvantage not being able to at least have a shot at a elite prospect. Since 2oo1 the Pats have had only one draft pick in the top 10, and that was Mayo at 10. They have had only ONE draft pick from the teens (Solder at 17) in the last 15 YEARS. All there other draft picks they have been picking in the 20's and 30's.....and that is in EVERY round. AMAZING!

Football is supposed to be cyclical - Teams go on runs and then they slip for a year or two, even the so called elite franchises. Look at the Ravens who couldn't even get to the playoffs after their superbowl win. Look at the Steelers, Niners, Saints, etc Only the Niners of the Rice/Montana/Young years come even close and they operated under a completely different set of competitive circumstances.

OK I'm rambling again. But the bottom line is I hope we as fans appreciate what an amazing organization we have building our team each year. Kudo's to Nick Caserio and all his staff and thank you Bill Bellichick for creating this football utopia, and allowing us to come along for the ride.

If we lose this game or the next our haters will surely get on our case, and I guess I can understand why. But really they are whistling in the wind, since they have so little and we have so much. And the real scary part is, that with 18 IR guys coming back to compete with the 53 that is likely to take us to the Superbowl, NEXT year's team should be stronger, deeper, and more experienced than this one.

Does Roger Goodell really think the loss of our first round pick is going to end his annual nightmare. All it really does is make my April less interesting and make a very frustrated man because of the injustice of it all.

I think the success of any NFL team is about the QB first and the HC second. All of the great dynasties of the past had that combination. Luckily we have the best at both positions and it shows.

Also, don't let the clowns at the NYJFL get to you Ken. Turn it around and enjoy the fact that the Pats success is eating away at them. It's easy to tell that they're all former Jets because the Pats keep winning in spite of how hard they try to take it away. Even if they lose today they'll still be one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history.

P.S. And not to get ahead of ourselves here, but imagine how tough they're going to be to beat next year when they get healthy. YEOW!
 
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