Criticism of NFL’s handling of #DeflateGate becomes mainstream

FreeCourtroomBrady said:

Spread it! Spread it like wildfire!

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I sent it to an ignorant raiders can friend of mine who would alway say "who did that study? Massholes.com?" when i tried to explain the science to him.
I said "read this from the NY Times (not Massholes.com)"
I'm almost 100 percent sure he won't.

shmessy said:

.....when Lin Dawson tore his ACL on the first drive?

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And when Morgan dropped the ball at the goal line. For sure when Blackmon dropped a pick-6 in the left flat...Ah, who am I kidding. Even if Morgan and Blackmon caught the ball, they still would have been blown out. But I thought we definitely had a chance to win the Packers SB when Martin scored his 3rd Quarter TD. Lead was down to six, and both the run and pass worked well on the TD drive. And then the KO to Howard...#$%^&!!!!

Plunkett2Vataha said:

And when Morgan dropped the ball at the goal line. For sure when Blackmon dropped a pick-6 in the left flat...Ah, who am I kidding. Even if Morgan and Blackmon caught the ball, they still would have been blown out. But I thought we definitely had a chance to win the Packers SB when Martin scored his 3rd Quarter TD. Lead was down to six, and both the run and pass worked well on the TD drive. And then the KO to Howard...#$%^&!!!!

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AV was held on that runback. Clear as day.

rochrist said:

Why would you expect the number not to be rigged in their favor? Easy enough to do.

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I actually wont be surprised some fake bombshell news being dropped tomorrow. The NFL doesnt want to see the pats in the SB

rochrist said:

75 (or was it 76) would absolutely have won the SB is they hadn't been screwed by Dreith against the Raiders. That said, Fairbanks era lasted about 10 minutes.

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Actually, he coached the Pats for 6 seasons. More than Parcells (4) or Carroll (3).

SVN said:

I actually wont be surprised some fake bombshell news being dropped tomorrow. The NFL doesnt want to see the pats in the SB

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....or tonight.

It's almost a given.

I had a family commitment today, but otherwise would have posted a link to the New York Times piece first thing this morning. I'm glad others have beaten me to it, but here is the link itself if anyone missed it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/s...nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1

This is really significant. It's no longer Lupica and Myers calling out the NFL, but The Gray Lady herself. Nocera is a pretty well-respected journalist.

Who knows, now maybe even wannabes, like the CHB and MCI, will jump on the bandwagon.

WE WANT OUR DRAFT PICKS AND REPUTATION BACK!!!

DaBruinz said:

Just because you're myopic when it comes to Parcells doesn't mean the rest of us are. Parcells was in the middle of a huge feud with Kraft which was why he was negotiating with the Jets already. It was why he never planned on taking the flight back with the team.

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I know all that, and it was slimy as hell.

But I don't buy that he tanked the game.

aluminum seats said:

Oh hell yeah. Right before the kickoff return TD, it felt like the Pats had a chance. The Bears game felt over...I dunno. Early.

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Would you say...about a quarter past Three??

aluminum seats said:

Yeah, that mighta been it. I was thinking when they settled for the field goal after the turnover. Maybe after the coin flip...

But...slight change of topic, I never felt like a game was over before it started like that Denver-SF Super Bowl. The Broncos never had a chance, it felt that way from the first minute, and it never changed.

Wish I gambled back then.

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Yeah, that was beautiful. I love a good Slaughter.

The AFC was funny, that Year, with the Broncos & Browns experiencing a fading Swan Song FlashBack to the 1986/1987 Years, the Bills & Bengals taking a step back after their 1988 ShowDown before the Bills came back and rocked for the next 4 Years...and the Conference as an whole sucked!!

All 6 NFC PlayOff Teams were better than the Broncos, that Year.

It was surreal.

vuudu said:

Hyperbole, but I just found it ironic that someone in the media in America will censor free speech that is all.

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Removing troll comments, or racist comments, or nasty comments from a privately owned site is not censorship of free speech. The concept of free speech doesn't apply on a privately owned medium.

QuantumMechanic said:

So what do you propose Pats fans should do?

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As a Tottenham Hotspur season ticket holder here in London we got so pissed off at not being heard that we set up a fans trust, this board of fans gets to meet the owners, board members and coach several times a year. With that we get to say directly what we think, we get to say what should be done with all sorts of things, specifically generally how the average fan is treated and how things can be done better. They can hardly say no to such requests.. it would be like saying we don't care what you got to say but there's a money box over there, on your way out empty your wallet.
Such a trust could reach out to several people, namely those who are part of Brady's legal team etc and ask what they could do to help to get the picks and money back, even down to asking what your local representative in office is doing about this. They are there as your voice after all, all its takes is an email.
My brother was really pissed of with the way our government was letting European legislation run rough shot over his livelihood that he decided to take them on. Three years he took them on, was on tele doing live debates on the parliament channel, it was all about a 500 year tradition in the way people were trained to work on the River Thames was being dolled down to a year from 5 years and anyone in Europe with a boat licence could come in and work with no knowledge of the tidal river that is the Thames. He stopped them because he believed in his cause.

It saddens me more that the fans are just letting them get on with what they are doing, whilst raging daily on MBs. Get of your arses and be properly proactive. Not a stupid poll online, bring all the Patriots MBs together and write a letter that all can copy and paste to anyone that will listen, just don't keep saying the same **** over and over, round in circles to the same people all the time that already get it.

I would be genuinely interested in someone writing a letter to Yee and Kessler in particular to see there viewpoint is on representing the fanbase.

This isn't a cop out before anyone says that I should do it, but I truly think it would be better coming from a New Englander resident/season ticket holder, or better still on behalf a supporters trust or this MB.

DaBruinz said:

If Gash was injured, it was news to him. He's stated numerous times he the most surprised of anyone to not have been active.

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No offense, Brother Broonz, but you remembered that very wrong. Do you not remember Parcell's Speech from the FoxBoro Field after we won the AFC Championship Game over the Jaguars?

It Was A Moment For Gash

I detest Parcells for the Evil he did, but Sam Gash was my favorite Player on that Team, bar none.

For Parcells to give a Shout Out to a guy in an hospital bed at that triumphant moment ~ the guy who I thought best represented the Ferocity of that tremendous Team ~ was awesome.

Big Bucks said:

As a Tottenham Hotspur season ticket holder here in London we got so pissed off at not being heard that we set up a fans trust, this board of fans gets to meet the owners, board members and coach several times a year. With that we get to say directly what we think, we get to say what should be done with all sorts of things, specifically generally how the average fan is treated and how things can be done better. They can hardly say no to such requests.. it would be like saying we don't care what you got to say but there's a money box over there, on your way out empty your wallet.
Such a trust could reach out to several people, namely those who are part of Brady's legal team etc and ask what they could do to help to get the picks and money back, even down to asking what your local representative in office is doing about this. They are there as your voice after all, all its takes is an email.
My brother was really pissed of with the way our government was letting European legislation run rough shot over his livelihood that he decided to take them on. Three years he took them on, was on tele doing live debates on the parliament channel, it was all about a 500 year tradition in the way people were trained to work on the River Thames was being dolled down to a year from 5 years and anyone in Europe with a boat licence could come in and work with no knowledge of the tidal river that is the Thames. He stopped them because he believed in his cause.

It saddens me more that the fans are just letting them get on with what they are doing, whilst raging daily on MBs. Get of your arses and be properly proactive. Not a stupid poll online, bring all the Patriots MBs together and write a letter that all can copy and paste to anyone that will listen, just don't keep saying the same **** over and over, round in circles to the same people all the time that already get it.

I would be genuinely interested in someone writing a letter to Yee and Kessler in particular to see there viewpoint is on representing the fanbase.

This isn't a cop out before anyone says that I should do it, but I truly think it would be better coming from a New Englander resident/season ticket holder, or better still on behalf a supporters trust or this MB.

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That's kind of vague, but interesting. What's this about a Trust? How would it work? How does what you did translate into Leverage ~ into Power? Do you believe what worked there would work here?

By the way: The correct Term for a native of New EngLand is "Yankee."

Unfortunately, I'm just about the only one who remembers that.

Basically the trust was started by a few people after matchdays that would meet in the pub for a couple of pints, they made themselves official by setting up a website, and then started getting people fans to join in, specifically by donating £10 to join a year, with this they would get things like the minutes of the meetings that had gone on. The ethos behind setting it up was that the owner would not see a couple of drunken fans from a pub, yet the supporters trust was somehow more adult.. more official and from there is has grown. It has a subscription base of 15,000 now.
With the new stadium being built, the trust has had a lot of input into the way the stadium will look, the facilities etc.
As said, people stand up and take notice of a supports trust over joe blogs and kevin potter who are two nutters on an internet forum.

Within the Website is a forum where all sorts can be discussed, of course only open to the subscriber, but as a frustrated fan, your able to put your ills across and therefore may get heard by people you want to hear them.

The website

THST Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust

Big Bucks said:

Basically the trust was started by a few people after matchdays that would meet in the pub for a couple of pints, they made themselves official by setting up a website, and then started getting people fans to join in, specifically by donating £10 to join a year, with this they would get things like the minutes of the meetings that had gone on. The ethos behind setting it up was that the owner would not see a couple of drunken fans from a pub, yet the supporters trust was somehow more adult.. more official and from there is has grown. It has a subscription base of 15,000 now.
With the new stadium being built, the trust has had a lot of input into the way the stadium will look, the facilities etc.
As said, people stand up and take notice of a supports trust over joe blogs and kevin potter who are two nutters on an internet forum.

Within the Website is a forum where all sorts can be discussed, of course only open to the subscriber, but as a frustrated fan, your able to put your ills across and therefore may get heard by people you want to here them.

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So is the Idea that you reached a certain Threshold of people, started renting out Conference Rooms, had official Meetings, took minutes as you mentioned...and then, what? Forgive my persistent Ignorance, but you've got me interested, here, yet I'm wondering what the next step might be: How to leverage these Meetings of one specific Fan Group to put genuine Pressure on the League?

Seems to me that it'd be very difficult to effect anything without hundreds of thousands of Fans, including Fans from all the other Teams...and I don't envision that happening.

And I'm not so much asking you that as thinking aloud.

Big Bucks said:

The website

THST Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust

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Excellent. I started my last Post before this came up. Thank you.

I'm heading Home now, but will check'er out later.

rochrist said:

Why would you expect the number not to be rigged in their favor? Easy enough to do.

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Seriously. Have people ever read the comments on news sites? If Florio didn't moderate it the first comment on every single article would be about how the mooslum Obummer was to blame for it.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I had a family commitment today, but otherwise would have posted a link to the New York Times piece first thing this morning. I'm glad others have beaten me to it, but here is the link itself if anyone missed it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/s...nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1

This is really significant. It's no longer Lupica and Myers calling out the NFL, but The Gray Lady herself. Nocera is a pretty well-respected journalist.

Who knows, now maybe even wannabes, like the CHB and MCI, will jump on the bandwagon.

WE WANT OUR DRAFT PICKS AND REPUTATION BACK!!!

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I saw guys like peter king retweeting this saying good job. Why didnt he write this?