Bedard: Patriots Passing Game Explained

Great read.

Deus Irae said:

It confirms what so many of us here have been saying for years, in terms of Brady's ability to read and manipulate, the difficulty of the system, the post-snap requirements, etc..., so it's nice to know that we're not all crazy.

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Well, technically it doesn't mean we are not all crazy...

Mack Herron said:

Well, technically it doesn't mean we are not all crazy...

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Oh, there's all kinds of batshit crazy going on around here . I was just referring specifically to what we've said about the Patriots passing game over the years.

I'll read later but...if it takes so much to process all this information and be successful as a WR in New England, shouldn't they change the system? After all they are drafting football players not engineers and physicist.

The standard WR that comes to the league is a guy who can run and catch. That's all the pre-requisites NFL teams demand so the Patriots seems to be demanding more and hitting the face in a wall every time.

Peyton is still smarter.

Sincerely,

Pete Prisco

Peyton is better at pre snap reads.

Sincerely,

Tim Hasselbeck

varjao said:

I'll read later but...if it takes so much to process all this information and be successful as a WR in New England, shouldn't they change the system? After all they are drafting football players not engineers and physicist.

The standard WR that comes to the league is a guy who can run and catch. That's all the pre-requisites NFL teams demand so the Patriots seems to be demanding more and hitting the face in a wall every time.

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I mean, they're on a pretty good run so maybe keep the system?

TommyBrady12 said:

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Can't hide from it.... How this moron is still allowed to express an opinion is mind boggling

Here's one for ya

Last 15 games Edelman has played in?

Pats are 15-0

varjao said:

I'll read later but...if it takes so much to process all this information and be successful as a WR in New England, shouldn't they change the system? After all they are drafting football players not engineers and physicist.

The standard WR that comes to the league is a guy who can run and catch. That's all the pre-requisites NFL teams demand so the Patriots seems to be demanding more and hitting the face in a wall every time.

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Why on Earth would you have them change the system that's led to 6 SBs in 13 healthy Brady seasons and is 1 game away from making that 7 in 14?

IllegalContact said:

Can't hide from it.... How this moron is still allowed to express an opinion is mind boggling

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hindsight is 20/20. gronk was picked in the 2nd round. every teams passed on him in the 1st.

WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Rob Gronkowski

Weaknesses:

• Very serious durability concerns (back)

• Doesn't maximize Y.A.C.

• Lacks some running vision in open field

• Doesn't have top-end athleticism or agility

• Run blocking technique a little inconsistent

• Might have some rust as a rookie (didn't play football in 2009)
  
  Summary: Gronkowski is a very well-rounded tight end prospect and will likely come off the board in the second round, but if team doctors have very serious concerns with his back (and some certainly should) then he could really fall in the 2010 NFL Draft. Back issues are probably the worst kind of injury for an athlete and generally these athletes have injury problems throughout their careers. Gronkowski will never be an elite tight end in the NFL, but if he stays healthy he should certainly be a productive contributor and starter.
  
  Player Comparison: Kevin Boss. Boss and Gronkowski have similar frames, athleticism and receiving skills.

Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Rob Gronkowski

edboc said:

It'd be interesting if Keenan Reynolds converts to a WR, they can pick him up UDFA and he can fulfill his obligations to the Navy. I guess the downside of this system is that it is difficult to find physically capable receivers to learn and integrate into the system, and also be able to scout receivers in college that for the most part don't have any option routes, read defenses, huddle or have an understanding of everyone else's assignments and responsibilities on every play.

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Maybe the best thing to do for the pats is to draft former qb's that are outstanding athletes (like Julian) that have experience reading defenses and understand coverage.

Gives them a step up when coming here fresh out of college.

varjao said:

I'll read later but...if it takes so much to process all this information and be successful as a WR in New England, shouldn't they change the system? After all they are drafting football players not engineers and physicist.

The standard WR that comes to the league is a guy who can run and catch. That's all the pre-requisites NFL teams demand so the Patriots seems to be demanding more and hitting the face in a wall every time.

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we can decrease our risk drafting former qb's. Get a good athlete who's studious and has played in a pro style offense in a good program. Take a chance in the later rounds and maybe you get another Edelman.

This all makes it easier to understand how Brady can seem to "trust" a guy who keeps dropping passes.

"Trust" for him is about the guy being in the right place at the right time and attempting to make the catch, more than it is about whether the attempt succeeds.

PatriotSpy said:

we can decrease our risk drafting former qb's. Get a good athlete who's studious and has played in a pro style offense in a good program. Take a chance in the later rounds and maybe you get another Edelman.

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David Givens played 8 different positions in high school, including QB.

In college he was a kind of reverse Reggie Bush -- mainly WR, but some RB too.

But it's the absolute certainty these morons put out there that follows them around that should label everything they ever say again as complete garbage......only through sheer luck are they ever right about anything

It just shows how little they know about football.....which is even more amazing given the access they have to the team

Borges wannabe

wolverinejoe80 said:

hindsight is 20/20. gronk was picked in the 2nd round. every teams passed on him in the 1st.

WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Rob Gronkowski

Weaknesses:

• Very serious durability concerns (back)

• Doesn't maximize Y.A.C.

• Lacks some running vision in open field

• Doesn't have top-end athleticism or agility

• Run blocking technique a little inconsistent

• Might have some rust as a rookie (didn't play football in 2009)
  
  Summary: Gronkowski is a very well-rounded tight end prospect and will likely come off the board in the second round, but if team doctors have very serious concerns with his back (and some certainly should) then he could really fall in the 2010 NFL Draft. Back issues are probably the worst kind of injury for an athlete and generally these athletes have injury problems throughout their careers. Gronkowski will never be an elite tight end in the NFL, but if he stays healthy he should certainly be a productive contributor and starter.
  
  Player Comparison: Kevin Boss. Boss and Gronkowski have similar frames, athleticism and receiving skills.

Read more at WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Rob Gronkowski

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Deus Irae said:

Why on Earth would you have them change the system that's led to 6 SBs in 13 healthy Brady seasons and is 1 game away from making that 7 in 14?

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The success goes even deeper. From a Brady/Manning discussion on another site:

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Just some food for thought regarding points scored in playoff games. Special teams and defensive scores are ignored for both to make my life easier.

Manning

Avg PPG: 22.2
Avg PPG allowed by defense: 18.3
Net: +3.9

Brady

Avg PPG: 26.3
Avg PPG allowed by defense: 19.4
Net: +6.9

While Brady has faced an easier slate of defenses, his teams have scored three additional points above opponent average than Manning's teams. I'll leave it up to you to decide if NE's superior defenses early on matters more or less than Manning's superior weaponry.

It is also noteworthy that Manning's numbers are skewed upward by a few outstanding performances. Not that he should be penalized for that, but it is interesting to consider the figures for each QB without the high end. Please note that I am cutting off an extra data point for Brady to account for the fact that he has played more playoff games.

Manning with top TWO games removed

Avg PPG: 20.2
Avg PPG allowed by defense: 18.2
Net: +2

Brady with top THREE games removed

Avg PPG: 24.3
Avg PPG allowed by defense: 19
Net: +5.3

And looking at how those same offenses did in the regular season....

Playoff points vs. regular season points:

Manning

Regular season ppg in playoff seasons: 27.7
Playoff PPG: 22.2
Difference: -5.5

Brady

Regular season ppg in playoff seasons: 28.4
Playoff PPG: 26.3
Difference: -2.1
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It's hard to differentiate between Brady's impact on NE's scoring ability retention and the system, but it seems unlikely the latter has nothing to do with it.

TommyBrady12 said:

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You just single-handedly owned Bedard. Congrats!