Years from now when you look back on 2001-2016+...

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2016

...how much of a role do you think Spygate and Deflategate will have played in fueling Brady and Belichick's fire?

In other words, are these two phony fraud bogus investigations a blessing in disguise?

Do you think without them that Brady and Belichick would have been so singleminded?

I know they hurt the Patriots with 2 #1 draft picks taken away... BUT...

Did they fuel the extra work and dedication and just anger and resentment to bring the Patriots to so many title games?

I can say that Spygate definitely hurt the Patriots in the 2007 Super Bowl. Troy Brown has already spoken to that.

But can we look at these two things as a blessing in the future?

KoolAid · Jan 21, 2016

I won't look at it as a blessing. It was very painful at times to the team dragged through the mud. I don't think they won games that they wouldn't have won otherwise. They might have throat-stomped teams a little less after spygate, but the NEP don't really need outside motivation because they are pretty much "all business" and their business is winning games. Losing draft picks is never a blessing, think about the difference 2 successful 1st rounders can make.

PatsFanSince74 · Jan 21, 2016

upstater1 said:
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I can say that Spygate definitely hurt the Patriots in the 2007 Super Bowl. Troy Brown has already spoken to that.

...

if by that you mean Tomass' article and the lie about filming the walkthrough....yes, I agree. but otherwise Spygate seemed to piss the Pats off and energize them during the regular season.

What Mort did in deflategate was bad reporting by repeating without corroboration what a league source told him and then not retracting the misinformation...bad, bad, bad and negligent. But, by the standards applied to the members of today's media, a sad example of "par for the course" self-promotion at the expense of others.

But what Tomass did was on another level and totally reprehensible. It still makes me ****ing sick even to think about out. He should burn in a particularly nasty part of hell.

IllegalContact · Jan 21, 2016

I will look back at it with wonder and amazement.......

goodell says to the pats: "you're not bigger than the league"
the pats say back: "ya ****.........we are, ya horse's ass"

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2016

PatsFanSince74 said:
if by that you mean Tomass' article and the lie about filming the walkthrough....yes, I agree. but otherwise Spygate seemed to piss the Pats off and energize them during the regular season.

What Mort did in deflategate was bad reporting by repeating without corroboration what a league source told him and then not retracting the misinformation...bad, bad, bad and negligent. But, by the standards applied to the members of today's media, a sad example of "par for the course" self-promotion at the expense of others.

But what Tomass did was on another level and totally reprehensible. It still makes me ****ing sick even to think about out. He should burn in a particularly nasty part of hell.

I was referring to Troy Brown saying the team was burnt out by the Super Bowl from the impact of the Spygate circus.

fnordcircle · Jan 21, 2016

I will get a boner.

fnordcircle · Jan 21, 2016

PatsFanSince74 said:
What Mort did in deflategate was bad reporting by repeating without corroboration what a league source told him and then not retracting the misinformation...bad, bad, bad and negligent.

Let's take this train to derail city.

Mort's only **** up was not retracting the tweet. But you don't need corroboration when reporting what your league source told you as what the league source told you. Because you're just saying 'hey, here is what the NFL is saying to me'.

For instance, I don't need to get corroboration to say "Well, my wife told me that everyone on patsfans is a nerd with a tiny pecker". If I said "Everyone on patsfans.com is a nerd with a tiny pecker" based solely on what my wife said without getting corroboration by measuring everyone's pecker and making them answer Harry Potter trivia then I'd be in trouble. Unless it's true. Which, it probably is. Nerds.

RobertWeathers · Jan 21, 2016

I will look back on it exponentially more fondly than I do for 1982 thru 1999.

PatsFanSince74 · Jan 21, 2016

fnordcircle said:
Let's take this train to derail city.

Mort's only **** up was not retracting the tweet. But you don't need corroboration when reporting what your league source told you as what the league source told you. Because you're just saying 'hey, here is what the NFL is saying to me'.

For instance, I don't need to get corroboration to say "Well, my wife told me that everyone on patsfans is a nerd with a tiny pecker". If I said "Everyone on patsfans.com is a nerd with a tiny pecker" based solely on what my wife said without getting corroboration by measuring everyone's pecker and making them answer Harry Potter trivia then I'd be in trouble. Unless it's true. Which, it probably is. Nerds.

point taken. the implication was that it's probably not a good idea to trust "league sources" unless corroborated.

PatsFanSince74 · Jan 21, 2016

upstater1 said:
I was referring to Troy Brown saying the team was burnt out by the Super Bowl from the impact of the Spygate circus.

that's what i thought you meant...what i was driving at was that, as you will recall, the circus had settled down to a 'one ring circus' until the Tomass article made it a three ringer again with sideshows, dancing elephants and trapeze artists.

patfanken · Jan 21, 2016

As I look on these years, I will think about the great years that are STILL to come. Think about it, BEFORE we get to the draft (even robbed of our #1 will will still have around 10 picks), and before we get to FA, we will be welcoming back 18 players off the IR to compete with the 53 what will likely play in the superbowl. Guys like Solder, Lewis, Easely,Tyms, Devlin, Wendel, etc. The competition to make this team will likely make even a deeper and more talented roster than the one that started this season.

2016 doesn't even come close to the end of an era, but rather the beginning with a defense as strong as the offense has been. The ONLY negative I see from the past is dealing with those who characterized Spygate as cheating when it wasn't, and coming to the realization of just how corrupt, petty and venal the League office is. It robbed me of a lot of joy. It took away the way I look at the game now. I morn the fact that I honestly believe there is a possibility the cabal might try an influence the next two games. And I realize now that, sadly, I will care less and less for a game I played, coached, and followed for well over a half a century

To quote ****ens...."It was the best of time, I was the worst of times"

Hoodie · Jan 21, 2016

fnordcircle said:
Let's take this train to derail city.

Mort's only **** up was not retracting the tweet. But you don't need corroboration when reporting what your league source told you as what the league source told you. Because you're just saying 'hey, here is what the NFL is saying to me'.

Off topic thought: I wish that the media had bothered to attempt to corroborate Mort's tweet with the same ferocity they used to corroborate Darius Fleming's story.

oldrover · Jan 21, 2016

I will look back in amazement... that this team won NO SUPER BOWLS between 2005 and 2014...

...and still dominated the LEAGUE (not just the conference) over a decade.

Could that be said of any other NFL team in history?!?! (hint: no

)

AGCSBill · Jan 21, 2016

To a level headed person with some objectivity, Spygate and Deflategate should mean nothing. When you strip away the layers, there is nothing underneath to impugn the Patriots' organization to label it as "cheaters". Spygate was about a camera location and Deflategate was about supposed tampering with football pressure in which nothing could be proved it happened. Only those who want to believe the Patriots outright break rules to win maintain their stance they cheat. Has anyone ever had anyone come right out and say how the Pats cheated to win games? They can't!

Deus Irae · Jan 21, 2016

upstater1 said:
..how much of a role do you think Spygate and Deflategate will have played in fueling Brady and Belichick's fire?

Considering that the team had already won 3 SBs before either 'gate' popped up, I'd say that any fuel was just a bit extra, and not something foundational.

The Boston Patriot · Jan 21, 2016

I will look back on it and think "How did those a-holes on Park Ave manage to walk across the street without getting run over."

The Brandon Five · Jan 21, 2016

patfanken said:
As I look on these years, I will think about the great years that are STILL to come. Think about it, BEFORE we get to the draft (even robbed of our #1 will will still have around 10 picks), and before we get to FA, we will be welcoming back 18 players off the IR to compete with the 53 what will likely play in the superbowl. Guys like Solder, Lewis, Easely,Tyms, Devlin, Wendel, etc. The competition to make this team will likely make even a deeper and more talented roster than the one that started this season.

2016 doesn't even come close to the end of an era, but rather the beginning with a defense as strong as the offense has been. The ONLY negative I see from the past is dealing with those who characterized Spygate as cheating when it wasn't, and coming to the realization of just how corrupt, petty and venal the League office is. It robbed me of a lot of joy. It took away the way I look at the game now. I morn the fact that I honestly believe there is a possibility the cabal might try an influence the next two games. And I realize now that, sadly, I will care less and less for a game I played, coached, and followed for well over a half a century

To quote ****ens...."It was the best of time, I was the worst of times"

Even if the roster that remains now can't earn #5 the 2016 team is going to be ferociously good.

TB_Helmet · Jan 21, 2016

I think SpyGate played a role in the success of the 2007 regular season, particularly how they ran up the score the first 10 games or so. While part of that was a response to Pink Head comeback in the 2006 AFCCG, it was also them showing they didn't need video to dominate.

Of course as someone said, the report of video taping the walkthrough right before the Super Bowl negatively affected that game.

upstater1 · Jan 21, 2016

Deus Irae said:
Considering that the team had already won 3 SBs before either 'gate' popped up, I'd say that any fuel was just a bit extra, and not something foundational.

Brady wants to play until 45

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