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SI Article: Deflategate, One Year Later


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Deflate gate is So last year/summer. Over the last 3 months brady has proven it was a lot of hot air. I ran across an article in the NYPost that says pretty much the same thing. The NYPost of all places.

''Think back to five months ago when you had your air conditioning blasting, the football season had not begun and everyone was doubting the Patriots. Belichick and Tom Brady are back in the AFC Championship game for the fifth straight season and 10th time in the past 15 years. Deflategate is a footnote to this season. The rest of the AFC East missed the playoffs, and the Patriots have done just fine without Revis and Browner.''



http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/werent-deflategate-and-revis-supposed-to-end-patriots-dynasty/
 
A big point in article is how Brady CHOSE to give his testimony under oath, where he " categorically denied any involvement or knowledge of a ball deflation plot."

Think about it, he could have gone to JAIL if he lied. Brady is no fool. I would like to see the NFL guys under oath and answer the question about this being a frame job.
 
its pretty stupid that the NFL CBA gave so much power to Goodell. I mean according to this he could really have done almost anything to the Patriots as punishment.
Who do you think was credited as being instrumental in getting the last CBA done? Thank you Bob. It sure has worked out well for your team but the POS, the other 31 owners and their fans are really happy though. I wonder if you still think their happiness rather than well being of your team is what really matters.
 
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Who do you think was credited as being instrumental in getting the last CBA done? Thank you Bob, it sure has worked out well for your team but the other 31 are really happy though and that is what really matters according to you.
it did certainly bite him in the ass, but if the owners were smart they would realize that this could turn on them just as easily.
 
its pretty stupid that the NFL CBA gave so much power to Goodell. I mean according to this he could really have done almost anything to the Patriots as punishment.

It's not like they suddenly caved in to Goodell's wishes.

Paul Tagliabue had the same power.
Pete Rozelle had the same power.

Paul and Pete, however, were not corrupt egomaniacal turds.

Little did the NFLPA know that the integrity/quality/honesty of the person occupying the big office had taken a huge turn into the toilet.

Now we know, and future CBAs will hopefully reflect that.
 
Also, there's no way anybody who hates the patriots is going to take even five minutes to read any of it.
How true. My sister has a Jets fan friend who's convinced the Patriots are cheaters and refuses to consider any evidence to the contrary. I am consoled to know that, as a Jets fan, she's doomed to a lifetime of disappointment.
 
I realized the text where Mcnally calls himself "the deflator" happened in May. Well before the season. But until now I didn't realize Mcnally wasn't even employed by the Pats at the time!
 
its pretty stupid that the NFL CBA gave so much power to Goodell. I mean according to this he could really have done almost anything to the Patriots as punishment.


If Roger hadn't been so arrogant he may have been able to suspend Brady without ever seeing this go to court. Thank God he is just an overblown arrogant DB.
 
I realized the text where Mcnally calls himself "the deflator" happened in May. Well before the season. But until now I didn't realize Mcnally wasn't even employed by the Pats at the time!

Someone else posted this last month, but I'd love to hear all the people who say things like "Oh yeah, the "deflator" meant losing weight. Right. Tell me another one. Only Patriots fanboys believe that." explain this tweet:



Is Men's Health suggesting that you use a kettle bell to remove air from a tire? That doesn't seem practical or realistic.
 
our fav steph stradley had a good summary back in august:
 
it did certainly bite him in the ass, but if the owners were smart they would realize that this could turn on them just as easily.
Not likely. The POS has different rules for different teams like the Jets. Kraft's real problem was that for whatever reason he was oblivious to the fact that Goodell and his Jets minions were out to get the Pats from 2007 on. His submissive posture to the POS did nothing but prove that he and his team could be abused repeatedly without any repercussions.
 
A good read. Didn't make me want to take a hostage.
But the author is wrong when he says Goodell just doesn't believe Brady.
What Goodell believes and does not believe is immaterial.
It's what Roger must do at the behest of the other 31.
 
Someone else posted this last month, but I'd love to hear all the people who say things like "Oh yeah, the "deflator" meant losing weight. Right. Tell me another one. Only Patriots fanboys believe that." explain this tweet:



Is Men's Health suggesting that you use a kettle bell to remove air from a tire? That doesn't seem practical or realistic.


The thing about McNally and Jastremski using the terms inflator and deflator to talk about gaining and losing weight that never gets mentioned is that Jastremski, for his job, inflates and deflates footballs a couple hundred times in a given week. It's not weird for that term to become a regular part of his vernacular. If you go through a year's worth of text messages of a guy who prepares footballs for a living, it should have not been surprising to find terms related to preparing footballs. Ted Wells is an ahole.
 
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Excellent article, but I disagree with one point. He says that all Tom would stand to gain by suing the NFL and winning is money. That's not true. If he won a defamation suit against the NFL he would gain a lot more than that.

Not saying he would win, but I think there's a CHANCE. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know, but would his suing them open the NFL up to discovery and allow access to information that they (the NFL) have been able to keep private to this point? @Deus Irae Maybe you can educate me on this?
 
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And anyone who was paying attention already knew that because of the Dolphins case.

Yes. But fairly or not, we as fans tend to ignore things that don't deal with OUR team. I think moving forward most of us will look at NFL discipline with more skepticism.
 
A good read. Didn't make me want to take a hostage.
But the author is wrong when he says Goodell just doesn't believe Brady.
What Goodell believes and does not believe is immaterial.
It's what Roger must do at the behest of the other 31.

Big time liars distrust others. They know that if they lie constantly and get away with it, then so do others.

The real question is why reporters don't call out Goodell when he is caught lying.
 
That was a really great article. It should be a must read for all Pats fans here.

One thing in particular was interesting to me. McCann did a good job explaining Bob Kraft's actions after the penalty was handed down, by pointing out his very limited options at the time. Later he unfortunately in MY personal opinion, points out why a Brady defamation suit is also very unlikely. Based on the time and invasion of privacy involved, I would be hard pressed to see it happening, even though it would be the only way to totally clear his name and expose the corrupt cabal at 354 Park Ave.,

There is no question in my mind that he would win this suit because just by what we know from testimony, the NFL knew Brady was innocent and still went out of their way to smear him. There was clearly malice by the league. But the time he'd have to spend aiding his lawyers and the smear job and invasion of privacy that would be entailed in the discover phase, might make the process too onerous.

So like Flasox, the NFL is going to "get away with this". What a shame.
I don't disagree that Kraft had little recourse but why oh why did he have to have a press conference to accept the penalty? Did he really think that Roger would have been happy with his pound of flesh and not go after Brady? All that conference did was inflate the NYFL's balls.
 
A big point in article is how Brady CHOSE to give his testimony under oath, where he " categorically denied any involvement or knowledge of a ball deflation plot."

Think about it, he could have gone to JAIL if he lied. Brady is no fool. I would like to see the NFL guys under oath and answer the question about this being a frame job.
THIS!!! To bad Kessler did not push to have Wells and others testify under oath.
 
would his suing them open the NFL up to discovery and allow access to information that they (the NFL) have been able to keep private to this point?
I'll speculate a bit on this.

The problem is that the architects of the scheme (Goodell and Wells among others) have considerable litigation experience and knew at the time that they had to keep their motivations secret, since Brady might sue for defamation. It is unlikely that they would be quite so incautious as to write an email or text that would be clearly incriminating.

The situation with the NFL employees is thus opposite to what happened with the Patriots equipment managers. The Patriots employees had no experience in discovery, so they didn't know basic things that people who've been through it know - like not to make jokes in email that could be taken out of context - and the Pats employees also weren't doing anything wrong, so they had no reason to conceal anything. Thus, paradoxically, the NFL employees might fare better in discovery because of, and not despite, their guilt.

But not always. It's possible that the NFL architects did let something slip. And it's also possible - and this must be Goodell's nightmare - that one of the ancillary NFL employees has a crisis of conscience and blows the whistle. If such a hypothetical whistleblower saved notes or documents, this could indeed hurt the NFL in litigation.

Legally, the trickiest thing to do for Brady in litigation would be to pierce attorney-client privilege, particularly as to the Exponent communications. Goodell of course likes to claim both that the investigation was independent and that all the notes on that investigation are confidential under attorney-client privilege. That's a dubious argument. If the court decides that the NFL waived privilege so that all the Exponent employees can be deposed, there is a decent chance one of the Exponent guys will come clean.

Just in general, I think scientists and engineers might be more willing to tell the truth than lawyers or PR guys, just because of their training. The Exponent report, to its credit, did not seem ever actually to lie - only to leave out critical information. If the Exponent engineers could be deposed, then yes, I think they might well admit to what was going on - that might also be why Goodell is pushing so hard on the attorney-client privilege argument.

That said, I'm sorry to be a glass half empty kind of guy, but it's just really tough for a public figure to win a defamation case against a well-funded media adversary (treating the NFL as almost a de facto media organization).

Sorry not to be able to give clear answers. It's a complex area and one in which I am sure there are many underlying facts I don't know.
 
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