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This is from pro-football-reference.com:

Vinatieri, in 14 playoff games, was 39/39 on XP and 26/34 on FG.
Gostkowski, in 18 playoff games, is 60/60 on XP and 22/24 on FG.

[Edit: I originally had 11 for Gostkowski, which is the number of games in which he attempted a FG.]
 
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This is from pro-football-reference.com:

Vinatieri, in 14 playoff games, was 39/39 on XP and 26/34 on FG.
Gostkowski, in 11 playoff games, is 60/60 on XP and 22/24 on FG.
I don't think that is correct.
First off all we have played 30 playoff game in the Brady era. I know Ghost was injured one year, but the numbers still don't add up.
Secondly that would be at least 486 points scored in 11 games with SG, and that cannot be right.
 
Just looked it up. Gostkowski has played 18 playoff games.
 
Just looked it up. Gostkowski has played 18 playoff games.

Sorry about that. That was the number of games in which he attempted FGs, not total games played.
 
This is from pro-football-reference.com:

Vinatieri, in 14 playoff games, was 39/39 on XP and 26/34 on FG.
Gostkowski, in 11 playoff games, is 60/60 on XP and 22/24 on FG.

Since I am assuming you are comparing the 2 during Brady era.

AV- 11 games 27/27 XP 20/25 FG 87 points

Pats avg 23.5 ppg

SG- 18 games 60/60 XP 22/24 126 points

Pats avg 28.2 ppg


And the one game neither kicker
Graham 1/1 XP 2/2 FG 7 points
 
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This is from pro-football-reference.com:

Vinatieri, in 14 playoff games, was 39/39 on XP and 26/34 on FG.
Gostkowski, in 18 playoff games, is 60/60 on XP and 22/24 on FG.

[Edit: I originally had 11 for Gostkowski, which is the number of games in which he attempted a FG.]
I'm delighted that the Pats have Gostkowski and don't want anyone else as K for the Pats, but it's tough to evaluate those numbers as "numbers." Two of #4's FG's came in the snow bowl, including the 45 yarder into the teeth of a blizzard to tie the game that's been called "the greatest kick under pressure in the history of the NFL" and two as time was expiring (or within a few seconds of expiring) to win SB's. I don't know how one would "weight" those kicks, but none of them were "routine" by any definition of that word.
 
I'm delighted that the Pats have Gostkowski and don't want anyone else as K for the Pats, but it's tough to evaluate those numbers as "numbers." Two of #4's FG's came in the snow bowl, including the 45 yarder into the teeth of a blizzard to tie the game that's been called "the greatest kick under pressure in the history of the NFL" and two as time was expiring (or within a few seconds of expiring) to win SB's. I don't know how one would "weight" those kicks, but none of them were "routine" by any definition of that word.

If I'm reading the OP right, I don't think he was comparing the kickers at all. He was pointing out the greater TD efficiency of the offense during Gost's tenure.
 
If I'm reading the OP right, I don't think he was comparing the kickers at all. He was pointing out the greater TD efficiency of the offense during Gost's tenure.
Fair enough.

Then the point that might have been made is that, in the Vinatieri era, for the 14 relevant games, there was an average of 2.8 TD's per game (39/14) and 2.4 FGA's per game (34/14). In the Gostkowski era, for the 18 relevant games, there has been an average of 3.3 TD's per game (60/18) and 1.3 FGA's per game (24/18). In other words, a half a TD (0.5 or 3.3 minus 2.8)) per game more on average and over one less FGA per game (-1.1 or 1.3 minus 2.4) in the SG era.

If we look at each FG as an opportunity for three points (whether or not it is made) and each TD with XP as seven points scored, then the total scoring opportunity in the relevant games in the AV era was 26.8 points per game ((2.8 * 7) + (2.4 * 3)) and in the SG era is 27.0 points per game ((3.3 * 7) + (1.3 * 3)). Not sure we can make too much of that, unless I'm missing something.

I think that you are trying to make the argument that the ratio of TD's to FGA's in the SG era is a lot higher than in the AV era: 2.5 (3.3/1.3) vs. 1.2 (2.8/2.4) and that we are scoring more TD's and relying on fewer FGA's, on average. I still have a problem with the sample size, but someone might argue that that would suggest that Vinatieri's relative value was higher, given the team's greater dependence on the FG in his era. But, I don't think we should try to make too much out of that and, the bottom line is that the points on the board are unchanged...which is how games are won or lost.

Even with the limited sample size, one could make the statement that there have been materially fewer FGA's, on average, in the SG era (-1.1 per game) but I don't think we can make too much about the difference in TD's per game (+0.5 per game), once again given the sample size.
 
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