Whats the word on Jamie Collins?

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supafly said:

Except, as many have pointed out, Dr.Chao never once came close to implying that Brady would miss any time, so I fail to see your point on adding more drama.

As a matter of fact, he did the exact opposite, pointing out that Brady would be fine for the postseason, and that we should all calm down and relax about the injury.

Your implication that he somehow "ran" with Breer's misinformation is not correct. That did not happen. Your problem with Chao is that he didn't question or combat the media report that Brady had a high ankle sprain, only that he issued a comforting tweet reminding everyone that "not all HAS are serious." I find nothing wrong with that, but to each his own.

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Cheesus, how to get what I said wrong again. He said Brady had a high ankle sprain. High ankle sprain means that the cartilage separating the bottom of the two large bones of the leg is damaged. This is serious, if you want to put weight on it, cut etc.

I know you refuse to read about it at any orthopedic web site and, apparently, refuse to read what I say, but having the two bones in your leg separate a little more every time you run jump or twist, is by nature rather serious for an athlete.

A regular ankle sprain,on the other hand, involves ligaments on the side of the ankle. That's why you can tape these up and play on them often.

What’s the Treatment for High Ankle Sprain?
It is important to have stability between the tibia and fibula at this level because there is a tremendous amount of force that passes through this area when walking and running. Some rotation of the fibula with respect to the tibia is permitted by these ligaments.

Once you rupture or overstretch these high ankle ligaments, the bones of your lower leg move apart with every step causing pain and loss of your passive ankle stability. You will often require crutches or a walking boot during this phase.

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RayClay said:

Cheesus, how to get what I said wrong again. He said Brady had a high ankle sprain. High ankle sprain means that the cartilage separating the bottom of the two large bones of the leg is damaged. This is serious, if you want to put weight on it, cut etc.

I know you refuse to read about it at any orthopedic web site and, apparently, refuse to read what I say, but having the two bones in your leg separate a little more every time you run jump or twist, is by nature rather serious for an athlete.

A regular ankle sprain,on the other hand, involves ligaments on the side of the ankle. That's why you can tape these up and play on them often.

What’s the Treatment for High Ankle Sprain?
It is important to have stability between the tibia and fibula at this level because there is a tremendous amount of force that passes through this area when walking and running. Some rotation of the fibula with respect to the tibia is permitted by these ligaments.

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You are the one who continues to get one simple fact wrong, and it destroys the entire basis of your argument.

Dr.Chao NEVER said that it was a high ankle sprain. That was Albert Breer. You've already came out and admitted this!!! All Chao did was attempt to calm us down by stating that Brady would be fine. What he didn't do was dispute the report (he's a freaking doctor, not a reporter with sources. He has no idea where Breer got his info from, nor does he care), so his official statement was that (word for word...again) "not all HAS are serious." Obviously, his stance was opposite Breer, and came out after Breer's report in a response to a tweet. It was to calm people, not create controversy. As a matter of fact, he reiterated that Brady would be fine for the playoffs, and he was correct.

If that means that he came out and somehow reported that Brady had a HAS to you,"to create hype, drama, and clicks"--as you claim, then you have an odd way of seeing things and blaming the wrong people. Why you keep listing all of this irrelevant medical jargon is beyond me. We're not debating what a HAS is, nor were we ever. We're discussing what Chao said, and what his general stance was, which is 100 percent opposite of what you're claiming...over and over and over.

supafly said:

You are the one who continues to get one simple fact wrong, and it destroys the entire basis of your argument.

Dr.Chao NEVER said that it was a high ankle sprain. That was Albert Breer. You've already came out and admitted this!!! All Chao did was attempt to calm us down by stating that Brady would be fine. What he didn't do was dispute the report (he's a freaking doctor, not a reporter with sources. He has no idea where Breer got his info from, nor does he care), so his official statement was that (word for word...again) "not all HAS are serious." Obviously, his stance was opposite Breer, and came out after Breer's report in a response to a tweet. It was to calm people, not create controversy. As a matter of fact, he reiterated that Brady would be fine for the playoffs, and he was correct.

If that means that he came out and somehow reported that Brady had a HAS to you,"to create hype, drama, and clicks"--as you claim, then you have an odd way of seeing things and blaming the wrong people. Why you keep listing all of this irrelevant medical jargon is beyond me. We're not debating what a HAS is, nor were we ever. We're discussing what Chao said, and what his general stance was, which is 100 percent opposite of what you're claiming...over and over and over.

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Actually he did, replying to Breer's misinformation.

Maclin has a MILD high ankle sprain. That's why, after being carted off, and keeping weight off and getting treatment, he lasted a few plays and left.

RayClay said:

Actually he did, replying to Breer's misinformation.

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Okay, so he not only used the word "mild," he even went out of his way to highlight it in bold typeface.

He reiterated that he'd be fine several times, and obviously wasn't looking to create "drama, controversy, or clicks"-- which is what you've suggested.

It obviously has a lot of gray area as we just saw with Maclin, and Chao's stance was always to limit the concern and remind everyone that he'd be fine in 2 weeks. I don't know what issue you could possibly have with his tweets?

Chao said potentially mild high ankle minutes after the injury a full day or TWO before Breers tweet. Never understand the dismissal of chao regardless of his past he's spent years training to learn about injury mechanics, unless his brain disappeared he's a better source for instant likely diagnosis than those on the board or leaker info from the team.

To add the video is very tough to determine high ankle or low ankle suhs three hundred pound body is hiding if the ankle is inverted, everted , or dorsiflexed. What else can chao do?

supafly said:

Okay, so he not only used the word "mild," he even went out of his way to highlight it.

That doesn't change the fact that he reiterated that he'd be fine several times, and obviously wasn't looking to create "drama, controversy, or clicks"-- which is what you've suggested.

It obviously has a lot of gray area as we just saw with Maclin, and Chao's stance was always to limit the concern and remind everyone that he'd be fine in 2 weeks. I don't know what issue you could possibly have with his tweets?

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There is such a thing as a mild high ankle sprain.

There is not gray area for a high ankle sprain, you either have one or you don't.

Brady has a mild ankle sprain involving the ligaments on the side. Maclin has a mild high ankle sprain, that's why he didn't practice all week, then couldn't last a game.

Of course Brady was fine. that's because he didn't have a high ankle sprain.

That's my point. You are not fine, you don't tape it up and play immediately, you don't go bowling if you have a high ankle sprain.

Brady doesn't have one.

Brady2Moss said:

Chao said potentially mild high ankle minutes after the injury a full day or TWO before Breers tweet. Never understand the dismissal of chao regardless of his past he's spent years training to learn about injury mechanics, unless his brain disappeared he's a better source for instant likely diagnosis than those on the board or leaker info from the team.

To add the video is very tough to determine high ankle or low ankle suhs three hundred pound body is hiding if the ankle is inverted, everted , or dorsiflexed. What else can chao do?

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Please read the difference between a high ankle sprain and a regular one on an orthopedics site. They are not grades of the same injury.

RayClay said:

Please read the difference between a high ankle sprain and a regular one on an orthopedics site. They are not grades of the same injury.

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Obviously not the mechanism of injury is key (invert, every, dorsiflexed) which cannot be seen in the video because Suhs body is in the way. That is why chao said mild ankle first and possible mild high able at worst within an hour of the injury. I know the difference.

Now you may have an issue with two possible diagnoses but what can you expect from someone using TV angles ? He gets as close as he can.

Brady2Moss said:

Obviously not the mechanism of injury is key (invert, every, dorsiflexed) which cannot be seen in the video because Suhs body is in the way. That is why chao said mild ankle first and possible mild high able at worst within an hour of the injury. I know the difference.

Now you may have an issue with two possible diagnoses but what can you expect from someone using TV angles ? He gets as close as he can.

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It doesn't matter what tv set you're using, you don't play NFL football immediately on a high ankle sprain.

Show me one medical site that says you can.

RayClay said:

It doesn't matter what tv set you're using, you don't play NFL football immediately on a high ankle sprain.

Show me one medical site that says you can.

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Dude the guy basically said he has a mild ankle sprain (low ankle) and at WORST milld high ankle. The point of his tweets is to understand the severity of injury (is my QB done for the season?) if you want an exact diagnosis based off tv or want to say gotcha! When he nails the time frame but incorrectly assesses the type of ligament damaged, then you got him !

For everyone else Chap is an adequate resources for ascertaining severity of injury.

Brady2Moss said:

Dude the guy basically said he has a mild ankle sprain (low ankle) and at WORST milld high ankle. The point of his tweets is to understand the severity of injury (is my QB done for the season?) if you want an exact diagnosis based off tv or want to say gotcha! When he nails the time frame but incorrectly assesses the type of ligament damaged, then you got him !

For everyone else Chap is an adequate resources for ascertaining severity of injury.

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No, he said he had a mild high ankle sprain.

Of course he had a low ankle sprain, that is my only point.

They aren't grades of the same injury, they are completely different injuries.

I'm not trying to get him, in fact I enjoy having some expertise on the injuries, rather that questionable "sources" of journalists.

RayClay said:

No, he said he had a mild high ankle sprain.

Of course he had a low ankle sprain, that is my only point.

They aren't grades of the same injury, they are completely different injuries.

I'm not trying to get him, in fact I enjoy having some expertise on the injuries, rather that questionable "sources" of journalists.

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Understood he did initially say ankle sprain as his first estimate but he tends to cover all his bases and went with high ankle as well. Let's hope he's right and that Collins will play Sunday, going to need him to stop the run.

where's the "Whats the Word on Jamie Collins"? thread?

from what I've read...he should be good to go vs. Den?

bigballas said:

where's the "Whats the Word on Jamie Collins"? thread?

from what I've read...he should be good to go vs. Den?

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I appreciate the erudite debate by people smarter than me, but what's the latest on Collins?

bigballas said:

where's the "Whats the Word on Jamie Collins"? thread?

from what I've read...he should be good to go vs. Den?

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I was going to post something similar.

What thread has actual information on Jamie Collins since this thread is apparently a discussion on high ankle sprains?

Seriously, I care much more about the status of Collins and Jones over being "educated" the difference between high ankle sprains.

bigballas said:

where's the "Whats the Word on Jamie Collins"? thread?

from what I've read...he should be good to go vs. Den?

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Or how bad Jones injury is

Joey007 said:

Or how bad Jones injury is

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And Mayo.

Maybe Brady is just a beast and his foot would have to be dangling off to take time off at this point of his career/season. .

This is my very amateur opinion on Collins, oblique strains are very much like a minor groin sprain/strain. Can you play on it? Yes, but that really depends on your pain treshold. It may not hurt one second , and a slight movement that's out of the ordinary will send a painful twinge throughout your body. It's not a serious injury but one that only 'goes away' with complete rest and rehab routine (massages, ice, heat). All that said Collins is an animal and I don't think he will miss time. He may need a few more breathers than usual to deal with the pain.