OT - Larry Fitzgerald

It was really frustrating to see him reward the Cardinals for their awful cap management by signing that extension, but it's good to see that they've surrounded him with a good team as opposed to wasting the rest of his career like we've seen too many times with some of these WRs.

The best part about Larry Fitzgerald's big play in overtime last night was when he hurried to the line up afterward and raised his hand to show he still wasn't being covered.

class act and a fantastic WR. One of my favorite if not my favorite player outside of NE

Fitzgerald is not a hall of famer. Sure, his career has suffered for lack of a quality QB. But his pedestrian yards per catch and modest touchdown numbers are not hall of fame worthy for his position.

Halifax_Pats_Fan said:

I know this is a bit OT and Mods, feel free to move it if you like, but Larry Fitzgerald man.

I just want to acknowledge him as a person and athlete. He is one special dude.

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Agree. He pretty much single-handedly was not going to be denied at the end of that game. Kudos to him.

Patjew said:

My favorite non-Pat in the league by far. Such a class act and phenomenal athlete. Last night I caught myself saying "he's got a great body", which was a bit weird.

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Omg same thing happened to me! Did you also feel that when he was cheering after the large gain in OT, pumping his chest? I was like, dang dude is fit. Nice chest. Nice arms. Trim waist. Nice butt.

#nohomo

PonyExpress said:

Fitzgerald is not a hall of famer. Sure, his career has suffered for lack of a quality QB. But his pedestrian yards per catch and modest touchdown numbers are not hall of fame worthy for his position.

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The player that was considered elite for years and is one of the greatest postseason wide receivers ever isn't hall of fame worthy? Chile please.

Edit: Not to mention he is two touchdowns shy of 100 career touchdown receptions and his yards per attempt is higher than Cris Carters. Your post is utterly ******ed.

glm said:

The player that was considered elite for years and is one of the greatest postseason wide receivers ever isn't hall of fame worthy? Chile please.

Edit: Not to mention he is two touchdowns shy of 100 career touchdown receptions and his yards per attempt is higher than Cris Carters. Your post is utterly ******ed.

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The league is much more of a passing league now and during fitzgerald's career than during most of Carter's.

Possession receivers are very rarely all time great players.

What separates #1 targets from #2 targets is that #1 score TDs and make big plays.

I understand that Fitz has flashed in his few playoff opportunities, but for the bulk of his career he has been a very good possession receiver. Bolden on his own team was a comparable player.

The statistics by which we traditionally measured players no longer hold. 98 TDs in Steve largent's era was special. Now it is just good.

Many people could legitimately make the argument that Brandon Marshall has had as good a career as Fitzgerald. I don't care either way. But just because media personalities love Fitz and Merrill Hogs thinks he's a swell guy doesn't matter to me. his resume on the field IMO is not HOF caliber by modern standards.

PonyExpress said:

The league is much more of a passing league now and during fitzgerald's career than during most of Carter's.

Possession receivers are very rarely all time great players.

What separates #1 targets from #2 targets is that #1 score TDs and make big plays.

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Fitzgerald is a playmaker/TD machine so he's a #1 target using your criteria. Glad we could clear that up.

I understand that Fitz has flashed in his few playoff opportunities, but for the bulk of his career he has been a very good possession receiver. Bolden on his own team was a comparable player.

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Flashed in his few playoff opportunities? He's played 8 playoff games and his average statline looks like:
6.6 receptions for 114 yards and 1.25 TDs.
Over a full season that would be 105 receptions for 1824 yards and 20 TDs.
So he's not just showing flashes, he's flat out dominating.

The statistics by which we traditionally measured players no longer hold. 98 TDs in Steve largent's era was special. Now it is just good.

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Except this is ******** with nothing to back it up. The only receivers that have more TDs than Larry from this era are Randy Moss, TO, and Marvin Harrison. Literally three of the greatest receivers ever. So no, it's not considered "just good." It's still considered special.

Many people could legitimately make the argument that Brandon Marshall has had as good a career as Fitzgerald.

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No they can't.

I don't care either way. But just because media personalities love Fitz and Merrill Hogs thinks he's a swell guy doesn't matter to me. his resume on the field IMO is not HOF caliber by modern standards.

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Well your opinion is stupid, irrelevant, and completely wrong. He's a future Hall of Famer. Deal with it.

PatsDeb said:

Agree. He pretty much single-handedly was not going to be denied at the end of that game. Kudos to him.

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Agree absolutely.

Edleman has that will. Amendola is pretty tough. JoJo...I don't know. Gronk is Gronk. Just those players that refuse to be denied. We play next week. If we want to play a game after that, and I know the boys are banged up a bit, but this time of year, you gotta will it. Scheme is absolutely one thing, will comes from within...Fitz has that. He is one respectful and productive dude.

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While I'm glad he did well, how the hell was he all alone?

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The same way Gronk sometimes is?

How many seasons has Fitzgerald had a good or even decent QB?

It's certainly not zero, but I'm guess it's the minority of his career.

glm said:

Fitzgerald is a playmaker/TD machine so he's a #1 target using your criteria. Glad we could clear that up.


Flashed in his few playoff opportunities? He's played 8 playoff games and his average statline looks like:
6.6 receptions for 114 yards and 1.25 TDs.
Over a full season that would be 105 receptions for 1824 yards and 20 TDs.
So he's not just showing flashes, he's flat out dominating.



Except this is ******** with nothing to back it up. The only receivers that have more TDs than Larry from this era are Randy Moss, TO, and Marvin Harrison. Literally three of the greatest receivers ever. So no, it's not considered "just good." It's still considered special.



No they can't.



Well your opinion is stupid, irrelevant, and completely wrong. He's a future Hall of Famer. Deal with it.

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Sorry. I disagree.
Fitz has played his entire career after the Manning rules were instituted in 2004. Comparing his numbers to Moss TO and Harrison is silly, since they played many prime years before 2004.

You really have to compare Fitz to current players and project where they will end up in comparison to him. Look at Antonio brown. Or D Thomas on Denver. How will fitz' career stack up when they're done playing?

Also, Fitz is not a TD machine. He has had quite a few marginal years and never more than 1400 yards in any season.

Compare that to Antonio brown for example, who dominates game in game out for full seasons.

Fitz is very good, beloved player. He's kind of like an art monk type, I think better.

He'll probably get voted in to HOF because of groupies like yourself and because he's nice to the media. So cheer up.

But he has not been a dominant player in his career.

Fencer said:

How many seasons has Fitzgerald had a good or even decent QB?

It's certainly not zero, but I'm guess it's the minority of his career.

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All time great receivers can create QBs. Look at moss.

PonyExpress said:

The league is much more of a passing league now and during fitzgerald's career than during most of Carter's.

Possession receivers are very rarely all time great players.

What separates #1 targets from #2 targets is that #1 score TDs and make big plays.

I understand that Fitz has flashed in his few playoff opportunities, but for the bulk of his career he has been a very good possession receiver. Bolden on his own team was a comparable player.

The statistics by which we traditionally measured players no longer hold. 98 TDs in Steve largent's era was special. Now it is just good.

Many people could legitimately make the argument that Brandon Marshall has had as good a career as Fitzgerald. I don't care either way. But just because media personalities love Fitz and Merrill Hogs thinks he's a swell guy doesn't matter to me. his resume on the field IMO is not HOF caliber by modern standards.

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Fitzgerald isn't a crackhead.

Fencer said:

How many seasons has Fitzgerald had a good or even decent QB?

It's certainly not zero, but I'm guess it's the minority of his career.

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So Fitz has had 4 years with Warner and 2.5 with Palmer. Those are two legit QBs.

Ivan said:

Fitzgerald isn't a crackhead.

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Yeah but the NFL HOF isn't about who is a crackhead or not, its about who dominates on the field.

PonyExpress said:

So Fitz has had 4 years with Warner and 2.5 with Palmer. Those are two legit QBs.

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4 years with Warner is more than I thought. Thanks.

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Sorry. I disagree.
Fitz has played his entire career after the Manning rules were instituted in 2004. Comparing his numbers to Moss TO and Harrison is silly, since they played many prime years before 2004.

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They were the closest one's to Larry that had more than him.

You really have to compare Fitz to current players

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He blows all the current receivers out of the water. The next closest is Calvin Johnson, Larry has 15 more than him. Than Reggie Wayne, Larry has 16 more. Than Brandon Marshall, Larry has 19 more. Out of all the receivers that have played the majority of their careers in 2004 or after, Larry has at the very least a 15 TD lead on them. Why? Because he's a future Hall of Famer.

and project where they will end up in comparison to him. Look at Antonio brown. Or D Thomas on Denver. How will fitz' career stack up when they're done playing?

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Really? Projection? How about you contact Miss Cleo and Sylvia Brown because they're the only ones that can answer this.

Also, Fitz is not a TD machine.

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Out of all the receivers that have played the majority of their careers in 2004 or after, Larry has the most TDs. Yet he's not a TD machine... Yeah your logic is ******ed.

He has had quite a few marginal years

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You mean when he had John Skelton and co throwing him the ball?

and never more than 1400 yards in any season.

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Newsflash. 1400 yards is a good thing.

Compare that to Antonio brown for example, who dominates game in game out for full seasons.

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Antonio Brown is playing his prime football in an era where receiver's numbers are way more inflated than they were 10 years ago.

Fitz is very good, beloved player. He's kind of like an art monk type, I think better.

He'll probably get voted in to HOF because of groupies like yourself and because he's nice to the media. So cheer up.

But he has not been a dominant player in his career.

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He hasn't been a dominant player in his career? Yep you really are ******ed.

PonyExpress said:

All time great receivers can create QBs. Look at moss.

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Moss would make a bad QB with a great arm look good. (See: Jeff George)

But if it was a bad QB that couldn't get him the ball then he couldn't really do **** to help them. (see: Kerry Collins)