Foxboro cops: Pats' Chandler Jones sought medical help early Sunday

AvocadoIceCream said:

Wait, it wasn't an accidental OD on sleeping pills?


I'll accept your apologies via PM

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It was right there in the police audio that it was Class D, meaning that there was about a 75 percent chance that he either smoked spice or did too many dabs/shatter.

There was always the possibility that he may have just smoked too much weed, but that was unlikely in my opinion.

A report said it was a bad reaction to a legal substance. No arrest, hospital release, and he is still on the team most likely confirms nothing illegal happened. For all we know it's might just be an allergy, whatever it is everything should be good. I know Hernandez may have ruined it for some but we should have more faith in our players. Don't drink the haterade that the mediots drink.

Call me a socialist pig like Bernie maybe, but hard to get mad at him and not the twisted framework where this is a legally acceptable substitute to the real diggity dank.

He must be receiving some merciless ribbing at practice this week.

Patsrock said:

Again under the CBA synthetic weed is NOT banned so this doesn't fall under the suspension list.

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Neither was anything about deflating footballs

Adam Seward said:

Call me a socialist pig like Bernie maybe, but hard to get mad at him and not the twisted framework where this is a legally acceptable substitute to the real diggity dank.

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Like someone here already mentioned...the new NFL weed policy requires like 3 failed drug tests just to trigger a suspension. So for most players (those not in the substance abuse program), it should be a no-brainer to smoke real weed over that poison crap if you have the urge. The fact that CJ was smoking spice implies one or both of the following:

1) he's already being monitored due to past failed drug tests,

2) he actually somehow prefers spice.

Either way, it's alarming. If it's just #2, however (very unlikely), I guess it's not the system's fault.

robertweathers said:

$10-15m does seem high but he absolutely shrunk his list of potential suitors which potentially shrinks the size of the contract value.


One thing I do know..........pass rushers are paid very well. He should be able to land a big deal somewhere.

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It also reduces his spokesperson potential. I doubt we'll be seeing him on Bob's Furniture ads anymore. I don't really mean that to be funny. I'm sure he's not making huge money with Bob's but it's a start if he ever thought about going national.

upstater1 said:

There have been some interesting recent studies done on mushrooms:

Single Dose of Hallucinogen May Create Lasting Personality Change - 09/29/2011

I know someone who started doing science studies and botany and now he's devoted his entire life to studying the impact and cultural effects worldwide

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Interestingly, it suggests the "personality change" may be positive and therapeutic.

As for this, the obvious solution, to me, seems to be to legalize regular marijuana so people don't have to turn to dangerous synthetic versions which aren't even really the same drug. Though, on the other hand, it's not entirely clear to me how much that explains synthetic marijuana usage, as a poster above speculated regarding Jones "preferring spice."

Regardless, I somehow doubt that Chandler Jones plays on Saturday now.

BradyFTW! said:

I assume it's K2. I kinda get it, since the NFL doesn't test for it, but it ****s you up so much worse than the real thing, as this whole saga demonstrates. When's the last time someone went to the hospital for a marijuana overdose?

He really should know better, and you should just get horribly, irresponsibly drunk on bye weekends like the rest of us.

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Have you ever tried spice? I smoked it a couple of times when I was younger and I stopped because the last time I smoked it, I thought I was honestly having a heart attack. Scariest thing I've ever experienced, by far.

AvocadoIceCream said:

Wait, it wasn't an accidental OD on sleeping pills?

I'll accept your apologies via PM

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Long before the facts were known, posters here suggested two plausible explanations that fit the known facts. 1) synthetic marijuana 2) Ambien

Nobody suggested they "knew" if either was correct, just that one or the other was perfectly reasonable, based upon what we knew about these substances, firsthand or anecdotally.

One of those explanations does appear to be correct.

We'll accept your apologies via PM.

Bobs My Uncle said:

Yet another example of a talented and rich athlete who lacks basic common sense.

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you forgot young. There are many young men who lack basic common sense.

Patsrock said:

Again you are talking like every player cares about being Tom Brady and watching every thing they put into their body.

I think the reality is players are looking for anything to help ease the pain. And since synthetic weed is not a banned substance under the CBA players smoke that for no chance of positive test.

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Glue is legal also.

Sniffing glue is not a good idea.

I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here.

I have not said that every player is on board with taking care of their bodies.

But those that obviously don't - - 6 days before a playoff game - are not as good an investment for the longterm.

You, evidently, feel differently about that.

Total Access touched on this today

As long as he plays Saturday I'm good. All hands on deck. Even the ones stupid enough to smoke that crap. Plenty of other natural medicines out there. Maybe we will see him in Denver next season?

shmessy said:

But those that obviously don't - - 6 days before a playoff game - are not as good an investment for the longterm.

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Everything you're saying about the idiotic timing of this is dead on.

I think what you're missing here, shmessy, is that we're talking about a league where Johnny Manziel was still being given opportunities to be a starting QB despite dressing up like Tootsie and going to Fire Island or something.

You're drastically underestimating how desperate some teams are for a pass rushing DE from a successful system and the amount of looking they other way they're willing to do to sign the guy.

You, evidently, feel differently about that.

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't feel differently about that. I feel differently about how much a GM from a ****ty team looking to make a splash will care.

shmessy said:

Glue is legal also.

Sniffing glue is not a good idea.

I'm not sure what you are trying to argue here.

I have not said that every player is on board with taking care of their bodies.

But those that obviously don't - - 6 days before a playoff game - are not as good an investment for the longterm.

You, evidently, feel differently about that.

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I am saying it is way way to early to even state he is losing $10-$15 million in salary and losing teams suitors. It's a 14 months before he is a UFA.

NFL teams will take a chance on anyone and pay for the player.

They need to trade him asap after this year. 3rd and a 5th and he's gone. What a maroon.

Hoodie said:

It also reduces his spokesperson potential. I doubt we'll be seeing him on Bob's Furniture ads anymore. I don't really mean that to be funny. I'm sure he's not making huge money with Bob's but it's a start if he ever thought about going national.

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Agreed.

Those commercials are downright brutal. Their furniture is crap too.

Angelpats said:

A report said it was a bad reaction to a legal substance. No arrest, hospital release, and he is still on the team most likely confirms nothing illegal happened. For all we know it's might just be an allergy, whatever it is everything should be good. I know Hernandez may have ruined it for some but we should have more faith in our players. Don't drink the haterade that the mediots drink.

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Synthetic marijuana is a legal substance. That doesn't mean smoking it is smart.

Alcohol is also legal (and frankly more dangerous than almost any other drug, if you take into account how easy and cheap it is to get), but I don't think I'd want my starting defensive end having to get his stomach pumped less than a week before a playoff game, either.

Im still confused on whether he was at Gronkowskis house or not. Yes I know Gronk himself was in Florida.