OT: TB12's agent Donald Yee Blasts NCAA For Economic and Racial Discrimination

VectorPrime · Jan 11, 2016

XLIX said:
I don't really have an opinion about this, but I think it is silly to try and turn it into a racial issue. I guess he just wanted attention to what he was saying and he knew that bringing up race would be the best way.

Race is directly tied into socio-economic status in a massive amount of complicated ways, and that then ties directly into a colleges ability to take kids from underprivileged backgrounds and use them for their own profit.

Triumph · Jan 11, 2016

VectorPrime said:
Get out of here with this "lazy" entitled millennial crap. If you want to spew this stuff I'm sure there's some dumb thread in the political subforum for you.

Its true.

Puxxies.

Doctor DDS · Jan 11, 2016

As already mentioned only College Football and Hoops make any money and it is really limited to maybe 50 or so schools. If they start allowing real money to recruits it would make the top schools stronger and likely force many schools to drop their programs and/or just accept the fact they cannot compete. There is no question that top players that are not quite good enough to make the pros end up getting under compensated but am not really sure what a viable solution would be.

VectorPrime · Jan 11, 2016

Triumph said:
Its true.

Puxxies.

Truly if only young kids had this level of maturity then the world would be a better place.

Bobsyouruncle · Jan 11, 2016

I don't think he understands what the word discrimination means. But mostly I think he wants to use divisiveness to get athletes paid and help himself and figures playing the race card is a good method, even when it doesn't make sense.

FreeTedWilliams · Jan 11, 2016

Another group that benefits greatly from college football players are female college athletes. Because of Title 9, schools with football teams have to fund an equal amount of female scholarships (NCAA allows 85 football scholarships per year).

So that's 85 female athletes who also get a full ride to college, shouldn't they be paying these players too? granted most big time schools have both men's and women's scholarships in basketball, but FBS schools have to be creative with women's scholarships in such things as water polo, my niece actually has a full ride to participate in acrobatics and tumbling ( think of it as a cross between cheerleading and gymnastics), I've known women who got full rides for fencing!!!

The NCAA might be the most corrupt sports organization this side of FIFA (and if course the NYJFL*), i thought the Missouri thing this year was ridiculous, but Yee is right, they need some sort of compensation to these players, especially ones that play in bowl games and March Madness.

BTTA · Jan 11, 2016

For the most part, these kids are being taken advantage of. College needs to be about college, and sports needs to be a side dish, not an entree, regardless of how good you are and how much money is circling in the sky.

There are a few major programs around the country that are doing the right thing by the players; they should be the standard by which all programs are judged. For example, check out what Tony Bennett is doing with Virginia basketball. Those kids come out the other end as much better men than whey they went in, and with real educations (if they stay through the 4 years, which most do).

Triumph · Jan 11, 2016

Most everyone that I knew that was 18 made arrangements for college (their choice) joined the military or some sort of career post high school.

unoriginal · Jan 11, 2016

Wheelman said:
Wow! That's f*cked up if that's the case. And they prohibit them from making any type of money? How in the hell are they supposed to pay for the recovery?

Credit cards, loans, medical insurance. And if you'll recall from a story earlier this year on Rob Gronkowski, he had an insurance policy that would have paid him something like $3 million if he had never played football again after his collegiate back injury.

But of course that wasn't actually Rob Gronkowski's choice, his dad "made" him do it. Not every football player has a smart dad watching out for them. More normal is Tyron Smith's situation with his step-father.

And I am not saying these are good options. A lot of athletes don't have access to any but the worst, i.e. credit card debt. The NCAA treats their "employees"/product like ****, like most monopolies.

ausbacker · Jan 11, 2016

VectorPrime said:
Truly if only young kids had this level of maturity then the world would be a better place.

You're not "young" at 18. Younger yes, but by that age, you should have developed a level of maturity where you are responsible for the decisions you make.

Triumph · Jan 11, 2016

betterthanthealternative said:
For the most part, these kids are being taken advantage of. College needs to be about college, and sports needs to be a side dish, not an entree, regardless of how good you are and how much money is circling in the sky.

There are a few major programs around the country that are doing the right thing by the players; they should be the standard by which all programs are judged. For example, check out what Tony Bennett is doing with Virginia basketball. Those kids come out the other end as much better men than whey they went in, and with real educations (if they stay through the 4 years, which most do).

Norte Dame used to be that way.

Wheelman · Jan 11, 2016

unoriginal said:
Credit cards, loans, medical insurance. And if you'll recall from a story earlier this year on Rob Gronkowski, he had an insurance policy that would have paid him something like $3 million if he had never played football again after his collegiate back injury.

I am not saying these are good options. A lot of athletes don't have access to any but the worst. The NCAA treats their "employees"/product like ****.

You're right those are horrible options for the players who come from nothing. That's not right! How are they supposed to pay for insurance if they're prohibited from working or making money?

No wonder players try to turn pro early. That's f*cked up!

Tuck · Jan 11, 2016

Gene In Montana said:
No one forces anyone to play college sports. If you don't like what is being offered, then don't play.

Right. And for some kids it's a choice between football and gangs, drugs or jail.

Bobsyouruncle · Jan 11, 2016

FreeTedWilliams said:
Another group that benefits greatly from college football players are female college athletes. Because of Title 9, schools with football teams have to fund an equal amount of female scholarships (NCAA allows 85 football scholarships per year).

So that's 85 female athletes who also get a full ride to college, shouldn't they be paying these players too? granted most big time schools have both men's and women's scholarships in basketball, but FBS schools have to be creative with women's scholarships in such things as water polo, my niece actually has a full ride to participate in acrobatics and tumbling ( think of it as a cross between cheerleading and gymnastics), I've known women who got full rides for fencing!!!

The NCAA might be the most corrupt sports organization this side of FIFA (and if course the NYJFL*), i thought the Missouri thing this year was ridiculous, but Yee is right, they need some sort of compensation to these players, especially ones that play in bowl games and March Madness.

Title IX could be a barrier, schools could pay profitable sports athletes, but not sports that don't generate revenue which includes a lot of female sports. I could see a lawsuit if the don't pay women the same. And they'll never be able to do that.

Triumph · Jan 11, 2016

ausbacker said:
You're not "young" at 18. Younger yes, but by that age, you should have developed a level of maturity where you are responsible for the decisions you make.

Exactly

No excuses.

ausbacker · Jan 11, 2016

Triumph said:
Exactly

No excuses.

I acknowledge that the youth needs guidance however, I'm sick of the mollycoddling of future generations. How quickly people forget.

Bobsyouruncle · Jan 11, 2016

VectorPrime said:
Race is directly tied into socio-economic status in a massive amount of complicated ways, and that then ties directly into a colleges ability to take kids from underprivileged backgrounds and use them for their own profit.

The NCAA doesn't pay anyone regardless of race, or socioeconomic status and they never have. It's simply not discrimination because they don't discriminate.

BTTA · Jan 11, 2016

ausbacker said:
You're not "young" at 18. Younger yes, but by that age, you should have developed a level of maturity where you are responsible for the decisions you make.

That would be nice, yet most of them haven't had the privilege of an upbringing that developed that in them. So they haven't. We can be frustrated about it all we want, but demanding that they be that mature is like demanding a paraplegic to get up out of the wheelchair and walk up the steps. The capability just isn't there at that time.

Triumph · Jan 11, 2016

VectorPrime said:
Truly if only young kids had this level of maturity then the world would be a better place.

Speak for yourself.

unoriginal · Jan 11, 2016

Bobsyouruncle said:
The NCAA doesn't pay anyone regardless of race, or socioeconomic status and they never have. It's simply not discrimination because they don't discriminate.

There are in fact many people on the NCAA's payroll. It is not an all-volunteer organization.

OT: TB12's agent Donald Yee Blasts NCAA For Economic and Racial Discrimination

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