PSI this weekend

Husse said:

No, @Tony2046 is right. The ball wont be colder, it will just get cold quicker if it's wet. You can't make the ball colder than it's surroundings.

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You absolutely can make the ball colder than its surroundings when it is wet. The ball has the potential to cool down below the air temperature until it reaches the dew point temperature. The evaporating water carries heat away from the ball.

Now admittedly on a rainy day the air temp and dew point temp are going to be pretty close to each other if not practically equal, of course. But say it was dry air and you were playing on a previously-watered or rained-on field that hadn't had the time to dry off out yet and the ball got soaked from the wet field. Then there could be a meaningful gap between air temp and dew point temp and the ball could cool below the air temp.

QuantumMechanic said:

You absolutely can make the ball colder than its surroundings when it is wet. The ball has the potential to cool down below the air temperature until it reaches the dew point temperature. The evaporating water carries heat away from the ball.

Now admittedly on a rainy day the air temp and dew point temp are going to be pretty close to each other if not practically equal, of course. But say it was dry air and you were playing on a previously-watered or rained-on field that hadn't had the time to dry off out yet and the ball got soaked from the wet field. Then there could be a meaningful gap between air temp and dew point temp and the ball could cool below the air temp.

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On the time of the Patriots Colts game the dew point was 44 degrees as I recall

The league office has no integrity! If they did they would release their results good or bad. We all know what unbiased testing would show. Gooberdell and his cronies are a bunch of spineless Richards.

QuantumMechanic said:

You absolutely can make the ball colder than its surroundings when it is wet. The ball has the potential to cool down below the air temperature until it reaches the dew point temperature. The evaporating water carries heat away from the ball.

Now admittedly on a rainy day the air temp and dew point temp are going to be pretty close to each other if not practically equal, of course. But say it was dry air and you were playing on a previously-watered or rained-on field that hadn't had the time to dry off out yet and the ball got soaked from the wet field. Then there could be a meaningful gap between air temp and dew point temp and the ball could cool below the air temp.

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I guess I stand corrected.

It still pisses me off, the AFC championship game, the results of under inflated footballs was all over the news BEFORE I got out of bed. So they tested balls yesterday afternoon and several weeks ago at the Patriots home game and NOTHING, haven't heard a word! And the media all knew the testing was being done so why aren't they raising the question of the results? Seriously get so mad thinking about how anti Patriots the nfl and media are, but if I try to discuss with anyone who's not a Patriots fan, I'm crazy, I'm reaching for excuses to defend the Patriots cheating etc.

There is absolutely zero chance the balls were measured at game temperature. The balls sat in the referee room for at forty minutes to give them time to reach ambient.

Personally, I'm more concerned about the BCG index!

And that would be Bad Calls per Game.

Hmm. No leaks from the NFL about the results from the cold game. I wonder why.

Sometimes silence is much louder than words and this is certainly true here.

sb1 said:

Hmm. No leaks from the NFL about the results from the cold game. I wonder why.

Sometimes silence is much louder than words and this is certainly true here.

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"Hey SB1, I noticed your concerns about the lack of information, unfortunately the Vikings/Seahawks game did not come up as one of our Random Games in terms of testing ball pressure. All games chosen are done so randomly in order to preserve the integrity of the game, to single out specific teams would be against the code of the shield. I can say however that the game in texas was monitored, and the balls showed no signs of deflation due to climate, futhering our suspicion that Tom Brady and the patriots are cheaters"

-Roger Goodel.

h0c2000 said:

There is absolutely zero chance the balls were measured at game temperature. The balls sat in the referee room for at forty minutes to give them time to reach ambient.

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Exactly. There is nothing to be gained for the NFL to test the PSI of a ball when it is outside.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

maybe nitpicking here, but as a practicing scientist I have to comment that the notion that a scientific theory is a hunch, a guess, or a mere proposal is completely wrong.

That is the common everyday meaning, to laymen, of the word "theory". Example: "my theory is that your cake is dry because you forgot the eggs"

A scientific theory is something totally different and is more fundamental, more predictive, validated by repeated testing and confirmation through observation and experimentation. Individual scientific "laws" can be used to quantify certain specific aspect of the bigger, more encompassing theory.

For example, the theory of gravity is quantified by Newton's (and Einstein's ) laws.

Aspects of the theory of evolution are modeled by Mendel's laws of dominant/recessive trait inheritance.

edit: the ideal gas law could be considered as an consequence of the atomic theory of matter (gases = particles in Brownian motion). The atomic theory of matter us hardly a guess or a hunch.

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Umm.. Not to nitpick, but I've never heard it called the "Theory of Gravity". I've always heard it called the Law of Gravity.

ANGR89 said:

It still pisses me off, the AFC championship game, the results of under inflated footballs was all over the news BEFORE I got out of bed. So they tested balls yesterday afternoon and several weeks ago at the Patriots home game and NOTHING, haven't heard a word! And the media all knew the testing was being done so why aren't they raising the question of the results? Seriously get so mad thinking about how anti Patriots the nfl and media are, but if I try to discuss with anyone who's not a Patriots fan, I'm crazy, I'm reaching for excuses to defend the Patriots cheating etc.

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It's too bad Kessler can't subpoena the results of that testing for Brady's case.. That would really put the squeeze on the league..

Or better yet, it's too bad Kessler and his team didn't have people at the Vikings game doing their own testing to show how flawed the league's case is..

Don't tell the NFL but with precip probable and temps lower than last years AFCCG, the footballs are going to be even lower this year.
F-in clowns

PatsWickedPissah said:

No Italian sausages & beer.

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Now you've gone too far ...

If the NFL is measuring the PSI to build a case against Brady at the appeal, then I hope the Kraft's stop hugging and kissing Goodell in public. To me they are being disrespectful to the Patriots fans more than the league office.

Just checking in. Is this where I go to get the PSI results.. Are they in yet?

alvinnf said:

Just checking in. Is this where I go to get the PSI results.. Are they in yet?

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The media's right on top of it, digging hard to get to the bottom of things.

pats_premi said:

If the NFL is measuring the PSI to build a case against Brady at the appeal, then I hope the Kraft's stop hugging and kissing Goodell in public. To me they are being disrespectful to the Patriots fans more than the league office.

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They can do it all they want but from what I understand the appeal can not introduce new evidence and is only based on Judge Berman's ruling.

pats_premi said:

If the NFL is measuring the PSI to build a case against Brady at the appeal, then I hope the Kraft's stop hugging and kissing Goodell in public. To me they are being disrespectful to the Patriots fans more than the league office.

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We're two steps removed from these measurements being relevant to whether or not Brady gets punished. The only reason they are measuring PSI at this point is because they need to appear as if they are taking seriously the fictional problem they invented so they don't have to answer to the dumb media outage they decided to drum up over the offseason. It won't help them in court.

smurfalarm said:

We're two steps removed from these measurements being relevant to whether or not Brady gets punished. The only reason they are measuring PSI at this point is because they need to appear as if they are taking seriously the fictional problem they invented so they don't have to answer to the dumb media outage they decided to drum up over the possession. It won't help them in court.

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FWIW, here is my take on this:
My understanding was that NFL is only measuring the balls before the game and at halftime after they get back up to room temperature to make sure they are the same PSI that they were before the game started. This will show if balls actually were tampered with or were defective and need to be removed from the game. This is exactly what they should have done last year and it would have absolved the Patriots. The info gathered from last year's debacle is helping them make a better way of monitoring this going forward, however none of the new procedures are in any way going to show how much the balls deflate during colder or warmer weather because they don't really care about that issue. They only want to make sure they are not being tampered with after the initial inspection. The disconnect by the NFL seems to be that by changing their procedures to this better way they are basically acknowledging that their way of doing this was flawed last year and yet they are still accusing the Patriots of cheating. Unfortunately, this makes sense from their point of view because now it is no longer about "cheating", it has turned into a labor/power issue that they don't want to lose. Goodell has backed them into a corner with his (staff included) ignorance of the IGL. I am shocked that the owners are not completely pissed off that he turned a minor (perceived) violation into a huge labor dispute. Buffoonery wins...Common sense loses again!