How many games for Burfict?

Tony2046 said:

He took one step after the ball passed through Brown's hands before making the hit so I wouldn't call it late. It was definitely a head shot.

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It was rather more than one step. He had plenty of time to pull up or veer off or aim lower after the ball went through Brown's hands.

Anyhow, a head shot on a defenseless player makes it a penalty regardless of the number of steps.

goheels22002 said:

That was a late hit targeting his head. There is no contact with Brown's torso whatsoever.

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I've seen worse not get flagged.........that said, I can't stand the guy, and you have consider the intent when someone is as cheap as this guy

I do think that brown augmented the contact with his flop

My $.02: Burfict is going to get suspended, no question.

I think if you look at the Brown play in isoloation you might be able to make a plausible argument (not one I agree with, mind you -- but plausible) that it was bang-bang and Burfict didn't mean to take Brown out. But the bottom line is, regardless of intent, this hit was pretty much the definition of the 'defenseless receiver' rule. So IMO there's zero debate about whether this warranted a flag.

Here's the problem for Burfict - he has a massive history. I believe he leads the league in unsportsmanlike penalties since coming into the league. He just got fined $70K for the last Steelers game, in which he dove at Roethlisberger's legs well after the ball was out. He does bush league crap just about every game, not just against the Steelers (the Panthers called him out last year for twisting Oslen/Cam's ankles in piles, etc.) And on the play in question last night, the ball was high and away and well past the receiver, and Burfict lowered his shoulder into the impact.

The bottom line is that Burfict has earned his reputation as a guy who consistently plays over the line, and will not get (nor does he deserve) any benefit of the doubt regarding his intent. This will result in a suspension. He has only himself to blame for that.

What's the over/under until either PacMan or Burfict ( or both) get arrested???? I'm giving it 10 days....

IllegalContact said:

I do think that brown augmented the contact with his flop

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You think he augmented the contact while he was completely unconscious, do you?

That would be some SERIOUS acting chops right there. Dude needs an Academy Award!

TL;DR: BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

burfict wasn't generally aware of something that never happened so 0 games.

all about integrity!

Even if the hit was accidental, it is still a personal foul penalty based on NFL rules.

Richard Camembert said:

You think he augmented the contact while he was completely unconscious, do you?

That would be some SERIOUS acting chops right there. Dude needs an Academy Award!

TL;DR: BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I have seen many interpretations of the hit since last night...but I must say Brown "flopping" isn't one of them. Maybe he meant how AB's body was "flopping" around like a jellyfish as he blacked out?

I've seen plenty of worse hits...wasn't even his helmut

Richard Camembert said:

You think he augmented the contact while he was completely unconscious, do you?

That would be some SERIOUS acting chops right there. Dude needs an Academy Award!

TL;DR: BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Although your post was meant as a joke, it's pretty much verbatim for what Pacman apparently said after the game. Unreal.

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My guess is he'll get two games and a hefty fine.

rochrist said:

Oh nonsense. It was mostly a shoulder to shoulder hit. Notice that after they figured out that if they should the reverse angle where you could see what actually happened, they stopped showing it. Deion called it out on the postgame.

It shouldn't be any, but seeing as how it's the chickenshit NFL, they'll give him a game to cover their asses.

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It was shoulder to helmet, they will call that every time. I like Deion, and he did a decent job trying to explain, but nope. That's a penalty: if that's not a penalty there is no point to any of these concussion rules. It's up to the defender to not do that. That's what all these rules are for. It was one of the most blatant violations I have seen in a while.

There is no angle from which that is a shoulder to shoulder hit.

Deion Sanders and LaDainian Tomlinson debate Vontaze Burfict hit on Antonio Brown - NFL Videos

Wow. Well, all the headhunters minimize and deny, no?

QuantumMechanic said:

It was rather more than one step. He had plenty of time to pull up or veer off or aim lower after the ball went through Brown's hands.

Anyhow, a head shot on a defenseless player makes it a penalty regardless of the number of steps.

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Really? At full speed Burfect could have done all that? Btw browns head dropped a foot or more after the miss

supafly said:

I couldn't possibly agree with you more. I bet Burfict gets a one game suspension, if anything. It's probably going to be a high fine, or more likely, a combination of the two.

Any talk of multiple game suspensions is way too harsh, especially under the circumstances. It's possible that he could've let up a split second prior to the hit, but it's nothing even close to some of the stuff we've seen over the years.

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It was virtually identical to a hit Browner had last year that we screamed bloody murder about.

Guys need help quick.

I think 345 Park Ave is doing a phone poll as I have someone on right now asking me my opinion of this matter .








Public opinion will drive the fine vs. penalty

If he were a Patriot he'd already be 3/4 of the way to Guantanamo...

Charlotte Pats Fan said:

Really? At full speed Burfect could have done all that? Btw browns head dropped a foot or more after the miss

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Doesn't matter. It's the responsibility of the defender, no matter the context, to avoid hitting the defenseless receiver in the head. That will be called 100% of the time unless the refs are on the take.

neuronet said:

It was shoulder to helmet, they will call that every time. I like Deion, and he did a decent job trying to explain, but nope. That's a penalty: if that's not a penalty there is no point to any of these concussion rules. It's up to the defender to not do that. That's what all these rules are for. It was one of the most blatant violations I have seen in a while.

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I actually have some sympathy -- generally speaking -- for defenders nowadays, who have such a small target zone to navigate at full speed.

But Deion IMHO picked the absolute wrong player--and the wrong play--to use as the basis for a soapbox rant on the challenges of being a defender circa 2015. As you say, if that's not a flag, then nothing is.

rochrist said:

It was virtually identical to a hit Browner had last year that we screamed bloody murder about.

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Not really identical at all. That was a lot more subtle, as Browner hit him much lower, in the "neck and shoulder area" not directly in the head. And IIRC, Browner hit the ball loose, and in this case the ball was clearly out of Brown's hands for almost a full second before he got clearly hit in the head above the neck.

So, other than there being a penalty, there wasn't much in common.

Unless we are thinking of different plays, but I'm pretty sure I know what you are talking about as we had a thread about it here, and Andy Johnson and I were (wrongly) arguing Browner shouldn't have been penalized until someone pointed out the rule was pretty lax about what counted as penalizable. We both admitted it in the thread.

Anyone remember who that was against? Maybe a playoff game?