OT: The excuse making for Marvin Lewis by the media is comical

borg said:

How about Cincy's 2 point try.....a backward pass. Nothing like making a 2 yard play a 5 yard play

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With their best offensive player off the field.

borg said:

How about Cincy's 2 point try.....a backward pass. Nothing like making a 2 yard play a 5 yard play

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Especially now that the defense can score on PATs/GF2s.

From Adam Silver at NFL.com:

Jones conceded, however, that many outsiders would blame Lewis for failing to control his team. And, truth be told, several players inside the Bengals' locker room -- none of whom wanted his name used, for obvious reasons -- felt that Lewis deserved the criticism, citing a season-long lack of discipline among some defensive players in games, practices and meetings.

"Eventually," one player said, "this (expletive) catches up to you."

Said another: "You put up with enough (expletive) for enough time, guys think they can continually do it."

Lewis, for his part, refused to rebuke Jones, saying, "I'm not going to single out our guys. We had enough chances to win the football game."

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Could Meltdown at Paul Brown spell the end for Marvin Lewis? - NFL.com

borg said:

How about Cincy's 2 point try.....a backward pass. Nothing like making a 2 yard play a 5 yard play

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Also, the way that pass was thrown it could have easily been dropped for a fumble and returned for two points by the Steelers. That would have been another ridiculous way for Cincy to lose the game, but even that wouldn't top the real version.

Re: Jeff Fisher

The guy is a piece of garbage, and I always remember Rodney Harrison's story of him from 2006. He should've been fired, too. Keep in mind though that he's won a playoff game in the same timeframe that Marvin Lewis has been HC of the Bengals, and that Fisher has been fired once already during that time as well (once with Tennessee and should be twice with St. Louis).

Rob0729 said:

Are you sure? I wasn't following the game all that close last night. But if this is the case, it still a unnecessary risk, maybe more so since the Bengals would have to score twice and not just score a TD and a two point conversion to tie the game.

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Was a strange call. Pitt went for 2 because they wanted to make it a 3 score game and prob thought kicking the XP still kept it a 2 score vs missing the XP/2 pt conversion.

VrabelJr said:

What a very flattering way to describe the personality trait of yourself. It's better to be self aware than blissfully ignorant at the drawbacks of your personality. Some other traits that go along with being Type A: selfishness, lack of loyalty, abandonment.

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I have never even seen those three associated with a Type A classification. Speaking for myself only, I have been absolutely faithful and loyal to my wife of over 52 years (I guess that covers the last two), and have given direct financial support to siblings, in-laws, (and my children, or course) when needed and have even provided housing for my brother and his family when needed. I guess that would eliminate the first as well. Abandonment? Never. That goes contrary to being a Type A which encompasses an extreme sense of responsibility.

No, my friend, Type A means "goal oriented" and "self-driven" or even "workaholic". It is a positive thing but, admittedly, can sometimes easily be somewhat off-putting to those not Type A. Generally speaking, Type As tend to seek out other Type As as friends. They understand each other better than those laid-back Type Bs do.

As for drawbacks, I believe that Type As are more fully aware of their own deficiencies that other Types because Type As tend to be very analytical in nature. So, I believe they are more self-aware, and self-analytical.

A proud Type A,

borg said:

I'm not the one oblivious about the definition of Type A....

http://www.simplypsychology.org/personality-a.html

Type A individuals are easily ‘wound up’ and tend to overreact. They also tend to have high blood pressure (hypertension).

Type A individuals tend to be easily aroused to anger or hostility, which they may or may not express overtly. Such individuals tend to see the worse in others, displaying anger, envy and a lack of compassion.

When this behavior is expressed overtly (i.e. physical behavior) it generally involves aggression and possible bullying (Forshaw, 2012). Hostility appears to be the main factor linked to heart disease and is a better predictor than the TAPB as a whole.

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From Wikipedia:
The theory describes Type A individuals as ambitious, rigidly organized, highly status-conscious, sensitive, impatient, take on more than they can handle, want other people to get to the point, anxious, proactive, and concerned with time management. People with Type A personalities are often high-achieving "workaholics", push themselves with deadlines, and hate both delays and ambivalence.[4]

Rob0729 said:

But it is true that Tomlin lost as much of his control of his team as Lewis did last night. His team was just not as stupid as the Bengals are.

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I think a lot of his team's chippiness was by design. And it worked.

SLGDEV said:

I have never even seen those three associated with a Type A classification. Speaking for myself only, I have been absolutely faithful and loyal to my wife of over 52 years (I guess that covers the last two), and have given direct financial support to siblings, in-laws, (and my children, or course) when needed and have even provided housing for my brother and his family when needed. I guess that would eliminate the first as well. Abandonment? Never. That goes contrary to being a Type A which encompasses an extreme sense of responsibility.

No, my friend, Type A means "goal oriented" and "self-driven" or even "workaholic". It is a positive thing but, admittedly, can sometimes easily be somewhat off-putting to those not Type A. Generally speaking, Type As tend to seek out other Type As as friends. They understand each other better than those laid-back Type Bs do.

As for drawbacks, I believe that Type As are more fully aware of their own deficiencies that other Types because Type As tend to be very analytical in nature. So, I believe they are more self-aware, and self-analytical.

A proud Type A,

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I tend to see people along a different continuum: task-oriented vs. relationship-oriented. Task oriented folks will sometimes risk damage to relationships or hurt feelings in the service of achieving a goal/completing a task, while relationship-oriented folks will sometimes risk missing goals/postpone tasks out of concern for relationships. Neither is inherently right or wrong, just different.

SLGDEV said:

I have never even seen those three associated with a Type A classification. Speaking for myself only, I have been absolutely faithful and loyal to my wife of over 52 years (I guess that covers the last two), and have given direct financial support to siblings, in-laws, (and my children, or course) when needed and have even provided housing for my brother and his family when needed. I guess that would eliminate the first as well. Abandonment? Never. That goes contrary to being a Type A which encompasses an extreme sense of responsibility.

No, my friend, Type A means "goal oriented" and "self-driven" or even "workaholic". It is a positive thing but, admittedly, can sometimes easily be somewhat off-putting to those not Type A. Generally speaking, Type As tend to seek out other Type As as friends. They understand each other better than those laid-back Type Bs do.

As for drawbacks, I believe that Type As are more fully aware of their own deficiencies that other Types because Type As tend to be very analytical in nature. So, I believe they are more self-aware, and self-analytical.

A proud Type A,

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So you made yourself into a Type A person? (hence the pride) How did you accomplish that?

KontradictioN said:

Granted I was at a wedding and didn't see the game, but the refs need to be ripped for that one too. The Burfict hit is one you can argue in their favor for but that big mouth asswipe Joey Porter should have never been on the field - let alone on the field and running his mouth.

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Let me be the first here at Patsfans to congratulate you and your partner!

SLGDEV said:

I have never even seen those three associated with a Type A classification. Speaking for myself only, I have been absolutely faithful and loyal to my wife of over 52 years (I guess that covers the last two), and have given direct financial support to siblings, in-laws, (and my children, or course) when needed and have even provided housing for my brother and his family when needed. I guess that would eliminate the first as well. Abandonment? Never. That goes contrary to being a Type A which encompasses an extreme sense of responsibility.

No, my friend, Type A means "goal oriented" and "self-driven" or even "workaholic". It is a positive thing but, admittedly, can sometimes easily be somewhat off-putting to those not Type A. Generally speaking, Type As tend to seek out other Type As as friends. They understand each other better than those laid-back Type Bs do.

As for drawbacks, I believe that Type As are more fully aware of their own deficiencies that other Types because Type As tend to be very analytical in nature. So, I believe they are more self-aware, and self-analytical.

A proud Type A,

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Guess you know more than the shrinks that created the classification. You're the best. Do you fall in love every time you pass a mirror because of your splendor and humility?

Froob said:

How many more one and dones does Marvin get before he gets canned?

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people keep saying the next one but the next one keeps coming.

Rob0729 said:

Lewis had no control of the team and they played like crap because of it.

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They "played like crap because of it?" Up until the last real play, they played a very good game, having held the explosive Steelers offense to only ONE touchdown, and a total of 15 points.

Their offense was effective enough to be leading up until that point with a shoddy backup named AJ McCarron. I don't think that should be considered playing like crap.

Rob0729 said:

You would never see a Belichick coached team act like this. A guy like Burfict would probably be benched before that hit on Brown.

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Why would Lewis have benched his pro bowl LB and the guy who had 115 tackles a season or two ago? Wasn't he one of the leaders in tackles throughout the entire NFL that year? No one on the team had a higher tackle average per game this year, either. Burfict may be a jerk, especially vs. Pittsburgh, but their defense depends on him, and is a better unit (usually) with him on the field.

There is obviously a fine line between playing physical, aggressive, stifling defense, and making a late hit or two in a game which involved rival teams making physical threats to each other earlier in the year.

While it's great to see Belichick have more power and control over his team, we can't compare all 31 other teams to the awesome situation in Foxborough over the last 15 yrs. Even here, we've certainly seen some guys like Meriweather and Spikes do some stupid stuff at times.

Basically, it comes down to one stupid play anyway, since the Porter/Jones situation should've offset. I agree with you about the weakness with Lewis here, but you should be fair and also give him credit for calling/planning a good game, particularly with his franchise QB on the sidelines.

Rob0729 said:

Are you sure? I wasn't following the game all that close last night. But if this is the case, it still a unnecessary risk, maybe more so since the Bengals would have to score twice and not just score a TD and a two point conversion to tie the game.

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The Steelers went up 15-0 when they finally scored their touchdown, so they should've just kicked the XP to make it 16-0. Instead, he tried to make it a 17-0 game and failed, so it stayed at 15.

That would've not only forced CIN to need 2 touchdowns, but they'd have needed to score the 2 point conversion both times just to TIE the game.

Tomlin has been doing this dumb stuff all year, although he's been relatively lucky nonetheless. I believe they're 7/11 on two point attempts, but the ones he's missed put them in jeopardy. They could've easily lost to STL for the exact same mistake. Eventually, this may bite him in the ass.

SVN said:

Was a strange call. Pitt went for 2 because they wanted to make it a 3 score game and prob thought kicking the XP still kept it a 2 score vs missing the XP/2 pt conversion.

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Pittsburgh went for two, because they go for two a lot, because Tomlin thinks he's an innovator.

Or because he doesn't think his kicker can make it from 33 yards, consistently.

supafly said:

Why would Lewis have benched his pro bowl LB and the guy who had 115 tackles a season or two ago? Wasn't he one of the leaders in tackles throughout the entire NFL that year? No one on the team had a higher tackle average per game this year, either. Burfict may be a jerk, especially vs. Pittsburgh, but their defense depends on him, and is a better unit (usually) with him on the field.

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1) Because no player is bigger than the team.
2) He was costing them the game.

I've seen Belichick sit Aqib Talib for a couple of series when Steve Smith got in his head. I've seen him sit Rodney Harrison and Brandon Merriweather multiple times.

That's what you do, when you're a good coach, and have control of the team.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Any organization takes on the face of their leader, whether a company or a team and Lewis owns this team. A perfect comparison is the ending of Super Bowl 49 (two plays after the Butler interception) and the contrast between NE and Seattle. You might not have seen it on TV but from where I was sitting in the grandstands , when the brawl broke out on the kneeldown not a single Patriot player or coach moved or ran on the field. In contrast 15 Seattle players and coaches ran on the field.. Cinn is reaping what they sow..

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A "loose definition" of criminal conspiracy.. these teams create an environment where sportsmanship and NFL memos are ignored, and "street justice" takes place on the field.

TommyD4207 said:

1) Because no player is bigger than the team.
2) He was costing them the game.

I've seen Belichick sit Aqib Talib for a couple of series when Steve Smith got in his head. I've seen him sit Rodney Harrison and Brandon Merriweather multiple times.

That's what you do, when you're a good coach, and have control of the team.

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Adam Jones has had a grand total of 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in 6 years with the team. I don't think he was costing them the game prior to Porter being on the field.

Burfict, like I said, has been a staple of their physicality and toughness. One can argue that they wouldn't even have been in the game had it not been for their physical defense.

I agree with you that Lewis shares some blame, but I just think we're laying it on a bit thick here. No one is as good of a coach as Belichick, so Lewis should be compared to the Tomlin's and Coughlin's of the world, where we've seen plenty of the same mistakes. No one should be compared to Belichick.