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Patsrock said:

He wasn't allowed to drink at all. A DUI is a DUI doesn't matter he was over the limit.

The player has to be smarter than he had been in gone past.

Also it's not guaranteed he even gets reinstated.

Brady's and Gordon cases aren't the same at all, Brady has never been proven to do anything wrong at all. Gordon has multiple failed tests.

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My comparison to him and Brady is how he was unfairly delt with differently then other players who have been punished. Other players with DUI's didn't have details in their suspensions where they weren't allowed to drink at all.

In the long run it is guaranteed he will be reinstated because he legally has the right.

If you are trying to compare Justin Blackmon as an example of a player who has not been reinstated, that is not comparable because he has failed test recently and has had various run in's with the law over the last year which make him punishable under the CBA

TBR said:

There's definitely far worse troubled guys out there. And while he certainly deserves some blame for not being able to control himself, I think the substance abuse program the NFL has in place is pretty ridiculous. He got screwed out the entire year because he had a drink of alcohol on a flight to Vegas in the off-season.

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Couldn't agree more

TBR said:

There's definitely far worse troubled guys out there. And while he certainly deserves some blame for not being able to control himself, I think the substance abuse program the NFL has in place is pretty ridiculous. He got screwed out the entire year because he had a drink of alcohol on a flight to Vegas in the off-season.

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Doesn't deserve some of the blame, he deserves all of the blame for his troubles.

He knew if he got caught drinking or had drug use he was gone for the year. That's all on him and no one else.

Patsrock said:

He wasn't allowed to drink at all. A DUI is a DUI doesn't matter he was over the limit.

The player has to be smarter than he had been in gone past.

Also it's not guaranteed he even gets reinstated.

Brady's and Gordon cases aren't the same at all, Brady has never been proven to do anything wrong at all. Gordon has multiple failed tests.

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Well he went the whole season without drinking, they dinged him for drinking on the plane after the last game of the season. The league said he could not drink during the league year, he understood it as he could not drink until the season was over.

Why would he not get re-instated, he has been tested every month since his suspension and has been working out with Moss and it seems like the light finally went on.

HawaiianPatsfan said:

My comparison to him and Brady is how he was unfairly delt with differently then other players who have been punished. Other players with DUI's didn't have details in their suspensions where they weren't allowed to drink at all.

In the long run it is guaranteed he will be reinstated because he legally has the right.

If you are trying to compare Justin Blackmon as an example of a player who has not been reinstated, that is not comparable because he has failed test recently and has had various run in's with the law over the last year which make him punishable under the CBA

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My point is he can apply on February 3rd. And right now it ks not guaranteed he will be reinstated. Might be right away, might not be till training camp.

Patsrock said:

My point is he can apply on February 3rd. And right now it ks not guaranteed he will be reinstated. Might be right away, might not be till training camp.

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Patsrock said:

I don't get the obsession with Josh Gordon. The guy has repeatedly shown he can't stay out of trouble and on the field. Talented yes, but dumb off the field.

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I agree that he is a risky player
However to answer your question, the Obsession is the thought of fielding a roster that had Gordon and Edelman on the Outside, Dola in the slot, Gronk being gronk, and Dion lewis and in the backfield.

How would that be stopped? lol

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

That is a good part of the trade but not the best part. The best part of the trade is the swap of third round picks, making it appear that a lot of painstaking research was put into this absurd deal. The other great part is that it involves Aaron Dobson in typical PatsFans homerism, where trades ALWAYS include a draft bust circling the drain of his career.

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No, painstaking research was not done. Dobsun was a throw in, I understand that his value is that of a 6th or so, but it does play to teams hoping a "talented" player could turn it around and play better in a different less complicated system.

I tried not to be a homer, Thomas is open to moving to a contender, Solder while not his equal next year still has a future while Thomas is 31, The pats would save about 1 mill in salary between these two.

What is the absurd part of the deal? I think there is a hell of more likely chance that Jimmy G may never start a game for the pats. And he walks and the best case is that he signs a one year prove it deal somewhere and the pats get a 4th rd comp.

Josh Gordon is a great talent and IMO has bad feeling towards the browns for suspending him the last game of a season which reduced the games played so he did not get an accured season.

HawaiianPatsfan said:

I agree that he is a risky player
However to answer your question, the Obsession is the thought of fielding a roster that had Gordon and Edelman on the Outside, Dola in the slot, Gronk being gronk, and Dion lewis and in the backfield.

How would that be stopped? lol

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Drugs or Alcohol by a player who hasn't been able to show he can control himself. If he has been clean the last year, great for him but to me he has to show that he can control it during the season when is able to be with teammates.

He is suspended again for another year with any failed substance test.

patman52 said:

No, painstaking research was not done. Dobsun was a throw in, I understand that his value is that of a 6th or so, but it does play to teams hoping a "talented" player could turn it around and play better in a different less complicated system.

I tried not to be a homer, Thomas is open to moving to a contender, Solder while not his equal next year still has a future while Thomas is 31, The pats would save about 1 mill in salary between these two.

What is the absurd part of the deal? I think there is a hell of more likely chance that Jimmy G may never start a game for the pats. And he walks and the best case is that he signs a one year prove it deal somewhere and the pats get a 4th rd comp.

Josh Gordon is a great talent and IMO has bad feeling towards the browns for suspending him the last game of a season which reduced the games played so he did not get an accured season.

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Yes, very bitter and very shady. To think they used the reason of him coming out to practice wearing Travis Benjamins jersey is ridiculous. I would never want to play a down for them again either.

Patsrock said:

Drugs or Alcohol by a player who hasn't been able to show he can control himself. If he has been clean the last year, great for him but to me he has to show that he can control it during the season when is able to be with teammates.

He is suspended again for another year with any failed substance test.

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Yes he will be, but I think it is worth the chance to get who I believe is one of the top 10 WRs in the league. and a guy that runs all the routes not just 9s

Patsrock said:

I don't get the obsession with Josh Gordon.

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Sure you do.

patman52 said:

No, painstaking research was not done. Dobsun was a throw in, I understand that his value is that of a 6th or so, but it does play to teams hoping a "talented" player could turn it around and play better in a different less complicated system.

I tried not to be a homer, Thomas is open to moving to a contender, Solder while not his equal next year still has a future while Thomas is 31, The pats would save about 1 mill in salary between these two.

What is the absurd part of the deal? I think there is a hell of more likely chance that Jimmy G may never start a game for the pats. And he walks and the best case is that he signs a one year prove it deal somewhere and the pats get a 4th rd comp.

Josh Gordon is a great talent and IMO has bad feeling towards the browns for suspending him the last game of a season which reduced the games played so he did not get an accured season.

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Pats trade Solder for Thomas. Pats would need an additional 7.8M in cap space because Solder will still have a 8.33M cap hit with NE in 2016. Pats only save 1.9 in 2016 by Trading Solder. Trading Solder and Thomas isn't cap for cap. Browns can take Solder on player for player and need no space because Thomas had no more bonus money. Solders bonus money would become due on trade.

But why not see what we can get for Ryan Mallet?

Reminder: The Browns would have traded Gordon away in 2013, except that the owner vetoed it. Mike Lombardi was the GM at the time and is now with the Pats.

Patsrock said:

Pats trade Solder for Thomas. Pats would need an additional 7.8M in cap space because Solder will still have a 8.33M cap hit with NE in 2016. Pats only save 1.9 in 2016 by Trading Solder. Trading Solder and Thomas isn't cap for cap. Browns can take Solder on player for player and need no space because Thomas had no more bonus money. Solders bonus money would become due on trade.

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Yeah, I forgot that they gave him such a large SB over a "2" year deal

OT, but completely different:

Colin Miller has a freaking cannon.

Sciz said:

Reminder: The Browns would have traded Gordon away in 2013, except that the owner vetoed it. Mike Lombardi was the GM at the time and is now with the Pats.

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I remember the trade rumors in 2013, but that was before he got back from his suspension (week 3 or 4) and started putting up insane numbers and setting records.

I am all for giving a young player like Gordon a second chance. It is only fair and a man deserves that. But if Goodell was out for his hide to shine his own shield of NFL integrity, imagine how he'd go after Gordon if he were to become a Patriot?

patman52 said:

Dobson was a throw in, I understand that his value is that of a 6th or so, but it does play to teams hoping a "talented" player could turn it around and play better in a different less complicated system.

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Not a sixth. Not a seventh. Not a swap of a single spot in the seventh. Aaron Dobson does not have one iota of trade value, just like Kenbrell Thompkins, Brandon Tate, Taylor Price, Chad Jackson, Jake Bequette, Ron Brace, Ras-I Dowling, etc. Ryan Mallett fetched a conditional sixth round pick despite having a huge arm, familiarity with the Texans system, and he had yet to really prove he couldn't play well in a real game. With QBs, of course, the potential upside is much higher than a WR. No way Dobson has similar trade value.

No GM gives a damn about Aaron Dobson's pre-draft potential three years later. He's less intriguing than an undrafted rookie who has yet to prove he can't produce. There are hundreds of guy around the league who are "talented" yet have done very little, with their fans clinging to their draft hype , raw potential, confidence level, and minuscule improvements followed by regression. Even for WRs, there are first and second rounders released every season who haven't even entered their third year. Dobson is just a commodity, a potential camp invite. Teams can just wait to claim a similar disappointing player with "raw potential" who is unlikely to succeed from the waiver wire. This is what most people fail to grasp when they think he has any trade value at all and why I always smirk when I see mock trade proposals with players like Jake Bequette, Terrence Wheatley, Joe Vellano, etc.

Deus Irae said:

OT, but completely different:

Colin Miller has a freaking cannon.

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Yea he does