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I'd vote for T.O. He's an ******* but he's at least a top 5 wide receiver ever.
 
My personal preference would be for any five that did not include any one of Warner, Dungy or Favre, but unfortunately I realize there is zero chance of that happening.
 
No knock on Earl Campbell, Jim Taylor and Larry Csonka but if they are in, Terrell Davis should be as well.
 
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No knock on Earl Campbell, Jim Taylor and Larry Csonka but if they are in, Terrell Davis should be as well.

Those short, high performance careers are always tough to judge vis a vis the Hall. You could say the same about Gayle Sayers too.
 
Dungy getting in or even this far is a joke. If you're letting him in then you have to let in Shanahan, Cowher, Coughlin, Holmgren, sh!t let Reid in too.........I know the Colt sycophants will scream "but he came up with the Tampa 2". It's a basic 4-3 defense playing zone with two deep safties which has been played since before Dungy was born. It was hardly revolutionary.
 
Those short, high performance careers are always tough to judge vis a vis the Hall. You could say the same about Gayle Sayers too.

Absolutely. Gayle Sayers was one of the most unique, dynamic players to ever play the game. Not a long career but in the 5 years he really produced, he was on a level with the greatest ever both as a RB and a KR/PR.

Thats kinda the same logic that I apply to TD. 2 very good years and 2 dominant ones. Superstar. Super Bowls. MVP....In 4 years he squeezed more than 99% of the players do in a lifetime.
 
Favre, Pace, Greene. Those 3 i am sure will get in. Favre will always be overrated to me but he deserves to be in
Kevin Greene is one of the best pass rushers of all-time.
 
How the hell is Dungy even being considered? He won one Super Bowl (the most cake Super Bowl of all time nonetheless) and was a head coach for a whopping 11 years. Should we put Marvin Lewis in too?
 
Dungy is not a hall of fame coach get the **** outta here. Really good coach but definitely not hall of fame. Not to mention both of his predecessors brought his team to the SB year after he left and both of them are mediocre coaches.
 
Kurt Warner????

Are you $hitting me?

I don't think so either but you could make an arguement that he should be in.

Compare him to the careers of Sonny Jurgenson, YA Tittle and Len Dawson.
 
Will Terrell Davis ever make it? Should have been in over Bettis. It was a short run but it was incredible. Mvp and SB mvp. Bettis didn't do anything close to that.
 
• Favre and Pace are no-brainers for me (though I will always consider Favre one of the most overrated players in-career that I watched; he was great and fun to watch but the John Maddens of the world were beyond ridiculous when it came to him). Both (to me) were among the top 3 or 4 players at their positions for at least 5 seasons (which to me is an eternity in the NFL for a player).

• TO makes it for me, despite all the nuttiness. I thought he fit the criteria I just stated above for Favre and Pace, but the behavior takes it down a notch for me from "no-brainer."

• I saw enough of Faneca, Greene, and Harrison to feel they were probably good enough to be considered HOF'ers, but to me none are no-brainer cases.

• Dungy is getting in whether you or I think he deserves it based purely on his accomplishments as a head coach. The reason is obvious and considering history I personally don't have a problem with it. He blazed a trail for other guys and that makes the NFL that much better for it, and so the value he brings in that regard makes him a worthy choice for the HOF in my opinion.

• Terrell Davis is the most interesting case of them all to me. The argument against is that his career was too short, but then you have the exceptions to that for Gale Sayers (who I agree is HOF) and Lynn Swann (who I think was lucky to get in). I'm on the side of putting him in based on him being the key player on a team that won 2 championships.

• I don't view any of the others as HOF'ers. I could tolerate seeing Morten Anderson, Don Coryell, Joe Jacoby, and Ken Stabler getting in but (other than Andeson) I never looked at any of them as being the best or even close to the best at their positions during their careers.

• Kurt Warner will probably get in some day, if not this year but he doesn't deserve it IMHO. Warner had 3 great seasons with the Rams and then was crap for the Giants. What he did in Arizona was nothing special in my opinion.

• DeBartolo will probably get in also but doesn't deserve it. I saw the Football Life about him and I remember his ownership, and someone has to explain to me what he personally did to contribute so much to the NFL to warrant induction. His father bought him the team because Dad didn't want Junior involved in the real family business (**cough**) and Dad put Carmen Policy out there with Junior to keep him from blowing too much dough and making a fool of himself (which he did eventually anyway).

• Steve Atwater and John Lynch were fine players, but don't deserve it either. Did Tampa or Denver really win a lot because of their special level of performance? I don't see it that way. I think they were in the right place at the right time and giving them serious consideration for the HOF is disappointing considering how many guys were truly more dominant during their times. For them to get this far and see Ty Law sitting there, a much much better player who did many more significant things is a shame.

• Edgerrin James doesn't belong in this conversation at all.

• With Ty Law getting stiffed again, I'd like to know who on the Pats team that won 3 in 4 years winds up getting in (I'm excluding Moss and others that came later, and focusing on the 2001 - 2005 period). I doubt Troy Brown and Tedy Bruschi will ever get in (because I don't think folks outside of Pats fans really appreciated them), but they certainly were key players for a dynasty. So if not them then who (besides BB and TB obviously)? Maybe the kicker? Rodney? Seymour? I have a feeling no one other than BB and TB will get in, and that is a travesty when you see they put in multiple Buffalo Bills who never won squat, Bettis, Warren Crapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc. who like with Atwater and Lynch were fine players but in no way were the best in the league for a prolonged period. The absurd levels of Patriots Derangement Syndrome come into play here too I think.
 
Only thing that might keep Marvin Harrison out is that he went Danny Phantom in the playoffs. Amendola (3) has more playoff touchdowns just last season alone than Harrison (2) did in his entire postseason career.
 
I would say they need to stop letting in so many people but it is kinda late now. Each year every class is a little worse than the last. When that happens you are doing something wrong.
 
• With Ty Law getting stiffed again, I'd like to know who on the Pats team that won 3 in 4 years winds up getting in (I'm excluding Moss and others that came later, and focusing on the 2001 - 2005 period). I doubt Troy Brown and Tedy Bruschi will ever get in (because I don't think folks outside of Pats fans really appreciated them), but they certainly were key players for a dynasty. So if not them then who (besides BB and TB obviously)? Maybe the kicker? Rodney? Seymour? I have a feeling no one other than BB and TB will get in, and that is a travesty when you see they put in multiple Buffalo Bills who never won squat, Bettis, Warren Crapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc. who like with Atwater and Lynch were fine players but in no way were the best in the league for a prolonged period. The absurd levels of Patriots Derangement Syndrome come into play here too I think.

I imagine when all is said and done only BB, TB and AV get in.

Atwater deserves to get in but Rodney was a better player than Lynch or Brian Dawkins who gets more talk than he does. Rodney has better numbers than either of them plus was a major force on two SB winning teams. Rodney is the first player with both 30 career interceptions and sacks being joined by Ray Lewis since doing it. He's 6th in career playoff interceptions.

It's too bad McGinist had the injury issues early in his career. He has HOF talent but not the consistency. If he threw together a few more years like his peak and you couple that with being the all time post season sack leader I think he would get in.

Seymour and Law were on the all-decade team so they still have a shot. Wilfork given his position and lack of eye popping stats it produces is a really long shot. What will be interesting is if Ngata gets in and he doesn't. Their careers are similar but VW has one more ring.
 
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