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From (How low will game balls' psi drop in frigid Seahawks-Vikes game?):

Ideal Gas Law causes the air pressure of a football to decrease in colder weather, a physics lesson the NFL inadvertently learned/taught last year when it punished the New England Patriotsafter the league claimed two staffers tampered with the game balls in the AFC championship game.

The franchise countered that the deflation of the balls was an act of nature, not subterfuge.

You were no doubt bored with the back-and-forth a long time ago.

Forget deflate-gate, Seattle is visiting Minnesota on Sunday afternoon and the weather forecast calls for temperatures to hover around zero. If so, it could rank as one of the 10 coldest games in NFL history. The wind chill is expected to hit between minus-15 and minus-20.

This could deliver the mother of all psi level drops.

The NFL requires balls to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. The NFL's own internal investigation said footballs on the day of the AFC championship game in Foxborough, with temperatures in the low 50s, could naturally reach 11.32 psi. The lowest-recorded Pats football was either 10.5 or 10.9 depending on the measuring gauge used.

So how low should the air pressure go Sunday in the brutal chill of Minneapolis?

Try about 9.0 psi. Maybe even into the 8s.

"Ignoring the wind chill (meaning the following is a conservative estimate, meaning the wind chill could make the on-field ball pressure even lower), the on-field ball pressure will be about 9 psig (assuming it was pressurized to 12.5 psig at 70F and measured on-field at 0F)," Dr. Michael Naughton, the chair of the physics department at Boston College wrote to Yahoo Sports.

That's a low-pressure ball....

"The pressure will, unambiguously, drop several psi," Naughton wrote. "The game will be played with these 'illegal' balls."

Is there anyway to inflate the balls so much pregame that they can withstand the bitter cold and get to the NFL's preferred 12.5-13.5 psi?

"The only way to assure a game under such conditions is pressurize them to between 16.7 and 17.8 psig pregame," Naughton wrote.

Or in the parlance of Jim McNally … "a [expletive] balloon.""

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Of course the NFL won't test the balls this weekend in Minnesota, will they? Because what will they do when they find both teams playing with footballs at 2-3 psi below the legal limit?

At what point will EVERYONE just finally say, you know what, this whole thing is just a colossal dump truck full of crap?
 
I don't expect the NFL to release any PSI measurements since they know the answers will make them look bad. But what is stopping us fans from doing their own measurements during the Divisional round playoff game and posting them onto twitter, facebook, message boards? I believe that the exact model of meter was specified in the Wells report. So someone goes and buys that meter inflates a football to 12.5 in a bathroom and then observes the results throughout the game.
 
I can't help but think of the Panthers getting caught warming balls in Minnesota last year. Why would someone warm balls on a cold day? To make the balls easier to hold on to and grip. Why would someone (supposedly) deflate balls? To make the balls easier to hold on to and grip.

Panthers, who were caught red handed on live TV tampering with the equipment, got a letter of warning. Patriots got a $5 million, 4 month investigation, and based on the "more probable than not" standard, list a 1st, a 4th and had their star QB suspended 4 games (which, as we all know, was set aside in federal court).
 
I can't help but think of the Panthers getting caught warming balls in Minnesota last year. Why would someone warm balls on a cold day? To make the balls easier to hold on to and grip. Why would someone (supposedly) deflate balls? To make the balls easier to hold on to and grip.

Panthers, who were caught red handed on live TV tampering with the equipment, got a letter of warning. Patriots got a $5 million, 4 month investigation, and based on the "more probable than not" standard, list a 1st, a 4th and had their star QB suspended 4 games (which, as we all know, was set aside in federal court).

It really was insane. Caught on TV tampering with the PSI of footballs *during a game*, and the NFL did nothing. This was just a handful of weeks before the Patriots-Colts game. Not something from 10 years ago. Just a few weeks prior. To show that the PSI of footballs is such a big deal, they got a letter saying don't do that please.

The Patriots were completely raked over the coals and punished severely (biggest punishment in league history) with FAR LESS evidence of football tampering. I cannot believe there hasn't been a big story put out by some journalist on this.

I'm optimistic. Goodell has promised more transparency in league matters. He's very focused on getting it right.


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Uh, yeah, no doubt. He's on it.
 
This is a game the NFL will definitely skip. The dramatic drop in psi would make the league look
like damn fools in the Deflategate case. Incidentally, no results will ever be announced unless
the results are fudged by Pash and company.
 
This is a game the NFL will definitely skip. The dramatic drop in psi would make the league look
like damn fools in the Deflategate case. Incidentally, no results will ever be announced unless
the results are fudged by Pash and company.
Absolutely.

I do wonder if things start going sideways on Brady during the appeal can Jazzy Jeff Kessler subpoena the PSI findings from the league?
 
Absolutely.

I do wonder if by logging the PSI, if things get out of hand during the appeal can Jazzy Jeff Kessler subpoena the PSI findings from the league?

Or maybe just file a separate lawsuit, because I don't think he can do what you're suggesting at this point.
 
Or maybe just file a separate lawsuit, because I don't think he can do what you're suggesting at this point.
Yea I have no idea. Friggan league.....I hate this cloak n dagger under the cover of darkness crap.

Beyond the Deflategate/TB12 case I have so many issues with their lack of transparency.

Shady.
 
All they need to do is set the ball pressure outdoors, after the balls have had a chance to cool off, if they really care. There's no requirement they originally be adjusted when the balls are 70 degrees.
 
Absolutely.

I do wonder if things start going sideways on Brady during the appeal can Jazzy Jeff Kessler subpoena the PSI findings from the league?
Possibly, but the NFLPA's main interest is wresting absolute power from Goodell. If Kraft completely
supported Brady, he would have MIT or Harvard conducting their own testing at Patriot's games and
then publish the results.
 
Just posting to get my sig in this thread. I have no, nada, zilch, zero expectation that the NYJFL under Roger "IGL, Huh?" Goodell would measure or, if measured, would release the findings.
 
Possibly, but the NFLPA's main interest is wresting absolute power from Goodell.

Yep.

If Kraft completely supported Brady, he would have MIT or Harvard conducting their own testing at Patriot's games and then publish the results.

The problem with that approach- which I love, is that any PSI/Deflategate content having anything to do with the Patriots is viewed by the world with a skeptical eye.
 
If anyone feels like doing a test that would be great, I understand the IGL but I would be curious how it actually occurs in real life (as opposed to paper) with the ball being not just a piece of leather but also with the inner bladder. I'm not an IDL doubter in any way but if would be useful to have real numbers. I live in CA so I don't have the appropriate temperature fluctuations that you guys do.
 
Yep.



The problem with that approach- which I love, is that any PSI/Deflategate content having anything to do with the Patriots is viewed by the world with a skeptical eye.

People tend not to question the scientific chops of MIT and Harvard. But because they're in Boston (Cambridge), yeah, you're probably right.
 
The problem with that approach- which I love, is that any PSI/Deflategate content having anything to do with the Patriots is viewed by the world with a skeptical eye.
Do the experiment properly and let the kvetchers have at it. A properly done experiment will be unassailable. The physics is with us.
 
Weren't both the Panthers and Vikings heating the balls last year? Or just the Panthers?
 
Do the experiment properly and let the kvetchers have at it. A properly done experiment will be unassailable. The physics is with us.
But rational, self-thinking, un-biased NFL fans outside of New England and media members that do not want to piss off the NFL are in the vast minority
 
Weren't both the Panthers and Vikings heating the balls last year? Or just the Panthers?

According to the league, it was just the Panthers who were putting balls in front of heaters.
 
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