OT: What the 2015 Fumble Stats Say About Deflategate (MMQB)

What the 2015 Fumble Stats Say About Deflategate

Watching Brady-n-crew storm out of the gate to a 10-0 record while leading the league in most major offensive categories was so incredibly gratifying after that disgusting 8 month long BS laden offseason. It was literally the best way for the team to collectively say, "take your deflategate and shove it up your f**king ass"! After watching the pedestrian performance of Brady during the preseason I could just smell the mediots ramping up their "See, Brady can't perform as well with properly inflated balls" diatribe which would have been just unbearable to hear for an entire season. Nothing other than a perfect start with league leading stats would have dispelled the deflategate theory as effectively and yet they did it. That victorious accomplishment may have had more value for preserving the team's legacy than any SB trophy would have although a Lombardi trophy would be a massive cherry on top. If nothing else this season will have legitimized all the past successes or at least prevented the unknown onslaught that would have been if not for that start. Thank God for that.

After Deflategate, Patriots still lead NFL with fewest fumbles | The MMQB with Peter King

In any case, the 2015 season makes for an excellent out-of-sample test with respect to New England's fumble tendencies. Although the Patriots have been accused of going crazy lengths to gain a winning edge, it seems safe to assume that any suspect ball routine could not have been a part of the game-day preparation process this season.

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I'm dying to hear the PSI numbers this year, but we know the NFL doesn't have the balls to out that information out

Professor Lopez comes up with this brilliant observation:

Patriots have consistently led the league in plays that are associated with low fumble rates, including kneel downs, plays in opponent territory, and plays when holding a lead.

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Why can't it be simply, they work very hard on controlling the ball and ball safety?? Why is there a need to minimize or qualify what they have always done well?? It is a point of emphasis for this team..

AzorianPats said:

I'm dying to hear the PSI numbers this year, but we know the NFL doesn't have the balls to out that information out

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Even if they did, would you trust them? I don't think the NFL is above altering facts to suit their needs. And I'd go one step further: they set up a sting operation, then couldn't even remember which gauge they used. Total ****ing incompetence.

For all we know they were planning on releasing the numbers all along, then ****ed it up as usual.

convertedpatsfan said:

Even if they did, would you trust them? I don't think the NFL is above altering facts to suit their needs. And I'd go one step further: they set up a sting operation, then couldn't even remember which gauge they used. Total ****ing incompetence.

For all we know they were planning on releasing the numbers all along, then ****ed it up as usual.

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One of the lighter sides of defamegate was the NFL's continuous bungling.

One of my favorites was during the appeal:

Kessler: 'Ted, was anyone aware of the IGL?'
Ted: "No".

Hahahaha

convertedpatsfan said:

Even if they did, would you trust them? I don't think the NFL is above altering facts to suit their needs. And I'd go one step further: they set up a sting operation, then couldn't even remember which gauge they used. Total ****ing incompetence.

For all we know they were planning on releasing the numbers all along, then ****ed it up as usual.

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Oh, the NFL knows what gauge was used. They just had to get the official to say he wasn't 100% super-duper positive which gauge he used so they could say he used a gauge that would fit their predetermined conclusion.

AzorianPats said:

I'm dying to hear the PSI numbers this year, but we know the NFL doesn't have the balls to out that information out

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I honestly doubt that wrote them down.

DarrylS said:

Professor Lopez comes up with this brilliant observation:



Why can't it be simply, they work very hard on controlling the ball and ball safety?? Why is there a need to minimize or qualify what they have always done well?? It is a point of emphasis for this team..

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Yeah, I noticed that too. Not that those factors wouldn't contribute to low fumble rates, but plenty of teams have leads without the Pats' consistent excellence in this area. And citing "kneel downs" is sort of comic--like the Pats have had dozens and dozens of them or something.

Anyway, good to see--if the Pats had had an off year for fumbles, the news would be all over the place. Because the numbers are still great, most people will just want this part of the conversation to go away. (Limited) kudos to MMQB for writing about it.

The only question that remains is how long will the NYJFL* stick to their guns on deflatgate. Every single point of their investigation and ASSuMuptions has been proven wrong. The courts will side with Brady, I truly hope that they admonish the NYJFL* strongly in their opinion (wouldn't be great if they basically say, that it appears that Brady and the Pats did nothing wrong?), but then what? Kraft can not let this draft pick thievery stand! He must go after the league once the court rules for his draft picks and APOLOGY!!

I live in the south and it was oddly enough 40 degrees this am when I got in my car, and guess what? The tire pressure light was on!! Even my car knows that the Pats are innocent, isn't about time the NYJFL* admits the same?

douchebag felger: "1 season is too small of a sample size"

It's funny how the fumble rate was used a proof that the Pats altered the balls, yet not a peep about manning's years after the neck injury before hgh was tested for and after.

JMC00 said:

douchebag felger: "1 season is too small of a sample size"

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Yup. If they were higher he would be screaming it. Instead they are comparable with every other season with some slight year to year increases or decreases.

They are all frauds. I've said for a while now numerous media members need to be fired. Lies after lies after lies.

ViperGTS said:

Yup. If they were higher he would be screaming it. Instead they are comparable with every other season with some slight year to year increases or decreases.

They are all frauds. I've said for a while now numerous media members need to be fired. Lies after lies after lies.

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They can't differentiate between sports and real life. It's one thing to blindly criticize coaching decisions and another to wreck a guy's career, legacy etc...based on false information that they clearly never looked into. Just basically made assumptions based on what they read in a Pash edited report.

For example: Mazz kept touting that the in order for a football to lose 2 psi of pressure because of whether the game time temperature would have to have been -13 deg F. Which is based on someone using the IGL incorrectly. People called in to correct him but of course it fell on deaf ears.

Stopped listening to them shortly after that.

JMC00 said:

douchebag felger: "1 season is too small of a sample size"

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What would convince these guys? 6 more years of being in the top 5 in the league of least fumbles lost? I'm sure these people would seriously suggest waiting until 2022 to see how things play out instead of just admitting they were wrong.

On the topic of d-bags in the media, I saw the tweet by Michael Lopez announcing this article. One of the first responses was from Volin, saying "Very interesting stuff...curious, did you include special teams fumbles in your data? Pats had several this year."

After almost a year of this story, how does Volin not know yet that the kicking balls and offense balls are handled separately? The officials keep possession of the K balls, so there was zero chance these were being tampered with by McNally, if any tampering was actually going on.

As a local media person, Volin should be sort of an expert on this topic. His pro-deflategate stance might be easier to take if he had a grasp of the basic facts of the situation. Then again, his failure in that area might be why he believes something happened.

Koma said:

On the topic of d-bags in the media, I saw the tweet by Michael Lopez announcing this article. One of the first responses was from Volin, saying "Very interesting stuff...curious, did you include special teams fumbles in your data? Pats had several this year."

After almost a year of this story, how does Volin not know yet that the kicking balls and offense balls are handled separately? The officials keep possession of the K balls, so there was zero chance these were being tampered with by McNally, if any tampering was actually going on.

As a local media person, Volin should be sort of an expert on this topic. His pro-deflategate stance might be easier to take if he had a grasp of the basic facts of the situation. Then again, his failure in that area might be why he believes something happened.

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Typical idiot volin.

Koma said:

What would convince these guys? 6 more years of being in the top 5 in the league of least fumbles lost? I'm sure these people would seriously suggest waiting until 2022 to see how things play out instead of just admitting they were wrong.

On the topic of d-bags in the media, I saw the tweet by Michael Lopez announcing this article. One of the first responses was from Volin, saying "Very interesting stuff...curious, did you include special teams fumbles in your data? Pats had several this year."

After almost a year of this story, how does Volin not know yet that the kicking balls and offense balls are handled separately? The officials keep possession of the K balls, so there was zero chance these were being tampered with by McNally, if any tampering was actually going on.

As a local media person, Volin should be sort of an expert on this topic. His pro-deflategate stance might be easier to take if he had a grasp of the basic facts of the situation. Then again, his failure in that area might be why he believes something happened.

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Koma said:

On the topic of d-bags in the media, I saw the tweet by Michael Lopez announcing this article. One of the first responses was from Volin, saying "Very interesting stuff...curious, did you include special teams fumbles in your data? Pats had several this year."

After almost a year of this story, how does Volin not know yet that the kicking balls and offense balls are handled separately? The officials keep possession of the K balls, so there was zero chance these were being tampered with by McNally, if any tampering was actually going on.

As a local media person, Volin should be sort of an expert on this topic. His pro-deflategate stance might be easier to take if he had a grasp of the basic facts of the situation. Then again, his failure in that area might be why he believes something happened.

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I was just thinking this is what those idiots were going to say next. Further proving they don't even care about the truth. Just that the Patriots are guilty.

According to the galactically delusional idiots who believed that deflation = less fumbles, the Seahawk/Viking's game should have none.

Depending on locker room temp those footballs could approach under 9 psi of pressure. I'm sure the NFL will "randomly" choose this game for ball testing. (Starting psi 12.5/Locker 70 / field temp 0 = 8.9 psi )

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#Vikings vs #Seahawks still looking freeze-to-your-seat frigid. Forecast highs near 0, wind chill -20 to -30F.

Tony2046 said:

According to the galactically delusional idiots who believed that deflation = less fumbles, the Seahawk/Viking's game should have none.

Depending on locker room temp those footballs could approach under 9 psi of pressure. I'm sure the NFL will "randomly" choose this game for ball testing. (Starting psi 12.5/Locker 70 / field temp 0 = 8.9 psi )

Eric FisherVerified account‏@ericfisher
#Vikings vs #Seahawks still looking freeze-to-your-seat frigid. Forecast highs near 0, wind chill -20 to -30F.

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I like that temperature. What a shame the Vikings aren't building an outdoor stadium.

The sad thing is that all the idiots who claimed the lack of fumbles was due to ball deflation will never have to apologize/take back their statements.

It shuts them up, which is good, but they should also publicly admit to being wrong, especially after we all had to listen to an entire summer worth of garbage.

Of course, no one will ever challenge them to address this.