Disgusted with WRs

Rob0729 · Jan 4, 2016

Kdo5 said:
I don't blame Martin. I do blame LaFell. This is a guy who was basically a 1000 yard receiver for us last year and the clear #2 WR. This season he has regressed and hasn't stepped up when we've needed him to.

He was the #2 WR, but the third or fourth receiving option. He was consistently getting one on one favorable match ups because he was drawing the opposing team's #3 CB. Now he is drawing better match ups.

cupofjoe1962 · Jan 4, 2016

Marinlik said:
1. Edelman is not only a slot receiver. He moves around all over, and very often lines up on the outside.

2. Our receivers seemed to be up to task last year in the super bowl against the dangerous Seattle secondary.

3, Why do so many posters here continue to claim that #1 receivers have to look like Megatron or Dez Bryant. Why can't a smaller guy be a #1 receiver? Antonio Brown doesn't fit the mold of what people scream for here, and yet he's amazing. Edelman is much more of a Brown light type of WR than he is only a "real good slot receiver". Edelman continues to get open constantly, and scores TDs, even the best corner covers him, and everyone knows that he is the main target. Does that not make him a #1 WR? To me that is what makes someone a #1 WR. That is what makes Edelman a #1 WR, that it what makes Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, and Dez Bryant #1 WRs, and it's what made Welker a #1WR here.

4. What's wrong with having your best receiver being a guy that does his best work with quick routes, and going over the middle, when that is the main focus on the offense.

Edelman is a real good slot receiver & I don't care where he lines up, he is great at what he does.

When I say we need a #1 type of receiver, I am talking about a guy like Moss, that can stretch the field.

This is no knock on Edelman, but he does the majority of his work within
15 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Edelman is great after the catch, but he catches the ball within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.

He is not a deep threat, in the mold of Beckham Jr., AJ Green, Julio Jones, just to name a few.

We need a guy like that to play with Edelman & Gronk & replace the jags
Like LaFell, Amendola, Dobson, Lewis who struggle to get desperation down field & can be single covered by an ordinary DB.

I would love to see the Patriots get a top 10 type WR.

A guy with Brady's talent deserves better weapons than Martin as a deep threat.

Tony2046 · Jan 4, 2016

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primetime · Jan 4, 2016

ChrisR2223 said:
What about reforming Josh Gordon?

I love Josh Gordon, unlike many others, but he's not a free agent anyways as he did not accrue a year of service this season.

primetime · Jan 4, 2016

DaBruinz said:
You think that Jaelen Strong would have made a difference? I think you seem to have forgotten that the Patriots traded for him from Houston, had him in for a couple of weeks, he couldn't cut it and they cut him. He re-signed with Houston. So, tell me again how he'd make a difference.

Stefon Diggs? Yes.. Everyone expects a 5th round pick to develop into a #1 WR during his 1st season.. Oh.. wait..
Devin Funchess? You'd be giving up Malcolm Brown to get him since he was taken at the top of the 2nd round and the Pats didn't have the draft capitol to trade up from their 2nd round pick..
Tyler Lockett?? Umm.. He's another "smurf" at 5'9 7/8. The knock on him was he had a propensity for drops because he'd try running before securing the ball.
Dorial Green-Beckham? Again, you'd be giving up Malcolm Brown.

I generally agree with the sentiment, but Jaelen Strong was a 3rd round pick of the Texans, I don't think you're thinking of the same person. However, most of these players had up-and-down rookie years and were productive only in small bursts as a team's #3 or #4 wide receiver and probably would not have made much of a difference. Funchess, for instance, spent most of his team on the bench, sitting while the Panthers trotted out Ted Ginn, Philly Brown, and Jerricho Cotchery's rotting corpse. He only played when one of those guys were hurt.

TBR · Jan 4, 2016

This should probably wait until the off-season, but...

4th rounder for Josh Gordon or hope Megatron gets released and takes a friendly 1 year deal for a ring

Or...

Marinlik · Jan 4, 2016

cupofjoe1962 said:
Edelman is a real good slot receiver & I don't care where he lines up, he is great at what he does.

When I say we need a #1 type of receiver, I am talking about a guy like Moss, that can stretch the field.

This is no knock on Edelman, but he does the majority of his work within
15 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Edelman is great after the catch, but he catches the ball within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.

He is not a deep threat, in the mold of Beckham Jr., AJ Green, Julio Jones, just to name a few.

We need a guy like that to play with Edelman & Gronk & replace the jags
Like LaFell, Amendola, Dobson, Lewis who struggle to get desperation down field & can be single covered by an ordinary DB.

I would love to see the Patriots get a top 10 type WR.

A guy with Brady's talent deserves better weapons than Martin as a deep threat.

Edelman lines up all over the place. But he's still a slot receiver? I don't really see how that's logical.

But why is it so freaking important to heave the ball down the field? Brady isn't great with the deep ball. It's just not a receiver thing. He's had guys open deep and missed them a bunch of times. What he is the best of all time at is reading a defense quickly, and getting the ball out of his hands right away. and putting it in spot where only the receiver can get it. That's his by far biggest strength, and that's what our offense is built around. That has gotten us super bowls. Why is it so important to have a deep threat when that works. Brady's talent absolutely guys that are really good at what Brady does best. Guys like Edelman, Amendola, White, Lewis, and Amendola are exactly that. They all fit in very well what Brady does best.

Do you not understand how extremely expensive the receivers you want are. You either have to pick them really early in the draft, like Aj Green, Beckham, or Julio, which would mean giving up many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Getting from high 20 to top 10 is extremely expensive. If we had made such a trade we would probably have had to give up picks that got us: Jones, Hightower, Collins, Harmon, Ryan, Dobson to do that. I'd much rather have that combo than one of the receivers above. Or we would have to hope that one hits free agency, which they almost never do. And then we would have to pay and absurd 15 or so million dollars.

Would it be awesome to have Julio Jones here? Hell yeah. Would it be even close to worth it to get a WR of his caliber here? Absolutely not. A top end WR is simply not worth it, unless you luck out by getting him late in the draft by pure luck, or in a once in a generation Moss kind of way. They cost much more than they give.

Just last year we won the super bowl against the Seahawks, who has a really good secondary, with this exact same WR core, basically by going all out passing the whole game. I don't see how we "need" a deep threat.

And with Lewis. Are you talking about Dion Lewis? The guy that juked out 5 defenders to make a touchdown where he at best should have gained a yard? That's not a JAG. That's special talent. Even if it isn't the oh so mighty deep threat.

Deus Irae · Jan 4, 2016

Marinlik said:
But why is it so freaking important to heave the ball down the field?

I assume this is a rhetorical question intended to be a joke...

ROHAN KLEMM · Jan 4, 2016

Marinlik said:
Edelman lines up all over the place. But he's still a slot receiver? I don't really see how that's logical.

But why is it so freaking important to heave the ball down the field? Brady isn't great with the deep ball. It's just not a receiver thing. He's had guys open deep and missed them a bunch of times. What he is the best of all time at is reading a defense quickly, and getting the ball out of his hands right away. and putting it in spot where only the receiver can get it. That's his by far biggest strength, and that's what our offense is built around. That has gotten us super bowls. Why is it so important to have a deep threat when that works. Brady's talent absolutely guys that are really good at what Brady does best. Guys like Edelman, Amendola, White, Lewis, and Amendola are exactly that. They all fit in very well what Brady does best.

Do you not understand how extremely expensive the receivers you want are. You either have to pick them really early in the draft, like Aj Green, Beckham, or Julio, which would mean giving up many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Getting from high 20 to top 10 is extremely expensive. If we had made such a trade we would probably have had to give up picks that got us: Jones, Hightower, Collins, Harmon, Ryan, Dobson to do that. I'd much rather have that combo than one of the receivers above. Or we would have to hope that one hits free agency, which they almost never do. And then we would have to pay and absurd 15 or so million dollars.

Would it be awesome to have Julio Jones here? Hell yeah. Would it be even close to worth it to get a WR of his caliber here? Absolutely not. A top end WR is simply not worth it, unless you luck out by getting him late in the draft by pure luck, or in a once in a generation Moss kind of way. They cost much more than they give.

Just last year we won the super bowl against the Seahawks, who has a really good secondary, with this exact same WR core, basically by going all out passing the whole game. I don't see how we "need" a deep threat.

And with Lewis. Are you talking about Dion Lewis? The guy that juked out 5 defenders to make a touchdown where he at best should have gained a yard? That's not a JAG. That's special talent. Even if it isn't the oh so mighty deep threat.

Marinlik · Jan 4, 2016

Deus Irae said:
I assume this is a rhetorical question intended to be a joke...

No. I simply don't believe that heaving the ball deep all the time is that important. In our offense I think that it's much more important to go with short/medium routes. I think that having a deep threat is wildly overrated here.

Deus Irae · Jan 4, 2016

Marinlik said:
No. I simply don't believe that heaving the ball deep all the time is that important. In our offense I think that it's much more important to go with short/medium routes. I think that having a deep threat is wildly overrated here.

FFS, why won't you people ever learn? They just played a game where having a legit deep guy, instead of Martin and Lafell, would likely have been the difference between a win and a loss, and you start posting this nonsense...

ROHAN KLEMM · Jan 4, 2016

This is not all about the wide receivers: Edelman and Amendola are very similar and fit our system perfectly like Welker but take big hits and are susceptible to injury. I don't judge Dobson, since he has never been consistently healthy. I do think Vereen is missed, now that Lewis is hurt, especially against strong pass rushing teams. Don't think White is the answer.

I have a love/hate feeling for the Pats drafts and could have been. Overall I would give the Pats drafts a C.
I was thrilled with Jones / Hightower draft. Why do we have to miss on safeties all the time - I did like Chung pick but Hightower / Richards / Wilson / Harmon - UGH.

Loved at time of draft: Almost all first round picks - even Easley, Dowling and Dobson, (both 2nd) I felt Ok with..

Hated those 2nd and 3rd round killers - JORDAN RICHARDS / Geneo Grissom / Duron Harmon / Jimmy Garappolo / TAVON WILSON

Players I would have liked instead - I was waiting for these names to be called for Pats. All available at the time of Pats pick.

Instead of Richards - Strong / Lockett / David Johnson
Instead of Grissom - Clemmings (OL) / Paul Dawson LB

Instead of Garappolo - Landry WR or Bryant WR (Clemson)

Instead of Harmon - Jonathon Franklin RB (UCLA)

Instead of Tavon Wilson - Lavonte David / Casey Hayward

Instead of Dowling (Pick I did not hate) - Sheard

The Patriots seem to value and appraise certain positions RB / S / Back-up QB / WR differently than other teams. I think they have middle of the road talent but their system of play and attitude is the best. I also think the days of ripping teams off in trades for draft picks is over. I thought Mallett would fetch at least a number 4. Teams have gotten wise. It would be great to see RG3 sign with Rams and be successful. Skins traded all those picks and RG3 flopped yet they still make the playoffs. Cornerback Breeland is the real thing as long as he stays out of trouble.

ashley · Jan 4, 2016

bogengames said:
Its the O line much more than the recievers thats killing us.

Agreed, it wouldn't matter if we had Jerry Rice or Randy Moss out there, with the protection that Tom has had, we're just lucky he hasn't been seriously injured this year.

cupofjoe1962 · Jan 4, 2016

Marinlik said:
Edelman lines up all over the place. But he's still a slot receiver? I don't really see how that's logical.

But why is it so freaking important to heave the ball down the field? Brady isn't great with the deep ball. It's just not a receiver thing. He's had guys open deep and missed them a bunch of times. What he is the best of all time at is reading a defense quickly, and getting the ball out of his hands right away. and putting it in spot where only the receiver can get it. That's his by far biggest strength, and that's what our offense is built around. That has gotten us super bowls. Why is it so important to have a deep threat when that works. Brady's talent absolutely guys that are really good at what Brady does best. Guys like Edelman, Amendola, White, Lewis, and Amendola are exactly that. They all fit in very well what Brady does best.

Do you not understand how extremely expensive the receivers you want are. You either have to pick them really early in the draft, like Aj Green, Beckham, or Julio, which would mean giving up many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Getting from high 20 to top 10 is extremely expensive. If we had made such a trade we would probably have had to give up picks that got us: Jones, Hightower, Collins, Harmon, Ryan, Dobson to do that. I'd much rather have that combo than one of the receivers above. Or we would have to hope that one hits free agency, which they almost never do. And then we would have to pay and absurd 15 or so million dollars.

Would it be awesome to have Julio Jones here? Hell yeah. Would it be even close to worth it to get a WR of his caliber here? Absolutely not. A top end WR is simply not worth it, unless you luck out by getting him late in the draft by pure luck, or in a once in a generation Moss kind of way. They cost much more than they give.

Just last year we won the super bowl against the Seahawks, who has a really good secondary, with this exact same WR core, basically by going all out passing the whole game. I don't see how we "need" a deep threat.

And with Lewis. Are you talking about Dion Lewis? The guy that juked out 5 defenders to make a touchdown where he at best should have gained a yard? That's not a JAG. That's special talent. Even if it isn't the oh so mighty deep threat.

So Brady couldn't throw the long pass when Moss was here?

I just wish we would start investing in the offense. Does every high pick need to be a DB or DL?

When was the last time we used a 1st round pick on an offensive player?

Soldier?

Our defense is now solid, so let's start investing in the offense. We used a couple middle round picks on the OL the last two years with mixed reviews.

I have a receiver who I think could really help the Patriots & he is a FA who shouldn't break the bank.

Travis Benjamin

He is not a big receiver, but every time I see him play, I think "He would be a great Patriot".

Benjamin is a real burner who could add to our offense & also work as a kick returner.

Unless you are happy with the production we got out of LaFell, Dobson, Martin, & Amendola this year.

People on these boards are so afraid of change..... I remember asking last year how Hoo-Man was on this team.

You would have thought I said Gronk.

All the Hoo's in Hoo-Man-vile came
Out of the woodwork to defend Hoo-man.

Where is he today??????

cupofjoe1962 · Jan 4, 2016

Angelpats said:
Amendola is not a jag. He has the best hands and fights for the ball everytime. If lafell played like him he would be an all pro, actually if Martin, Harper, Dobson or s chandler played like him we would be unstoppable.

He is not on the field enough to be called a JAG. I am surprised he doesn't do endorsements for Blue Cross Blue Shield.

You cannot depend on him to stay healthy.

He finally earned Brady's confidence in the playoffs last year, but it took a long time because he was always hurt. This year.... Hurt again & if Vegas was giving odds on him being hurt again next year, I would place a bet.

Clark Ryan · Jan 4, 2016

PatsFan2 said:
Exactly if I had to point the finger thats where it goes LaFell hasn't done jack **** since the Giants Game the same game Edelman got injured. LaFell right now is like a #4 or 5 WR he should be fazed out of the Offense.

LaFail is CRAP!!.. He def needs to take a good sized pay cut if he wants to remain a patriot!.. and look @ that kid up in Seattle Lockett from K-State that got drafted in this last draft that's kicking azz!! oh, but we drafter Richards in the 2nd and what has he done to date???.. anyone know?? becuz as far as i do it's JACKSQUAT!!!!.. These are the typical BB picks that sometimes make me think he was fawkd up on something that day!!! That Lockett kid has been an all around stud KR/WR/PR,Etc.. and Diggs in Minnesota!!.. Just to name a couple..

Ice_Ice_Brady · Jan 4, 2016

sambam94 said:
We really couldn't do better than Lafell. So sick of watching so many young talented receivers playing for other teams while the GOAT is handed crap every year. Marshall cost the jets a 5th rounder..my gosh..give Brady a tall WR.

The Pats play in a disciplined offensive system that values in intelligence and quickness over height and speed. It's not that a guy won't fit in here (like Moss), it's just that it's hard to find someone who has everything. I agree, though, it's incredibly disappointing how the Pats have drafted and developed WRs.

As for Marshall, Josh traded him upon arriving in Denver. Beyond the personal garbage, I'm guessing he's not a fit for the system.

zipster9 · Jan 4, 2016

Well, Patriots got Leonard Hankerson (6'2") who has experience as a WR and in 1 wk cut him for Chris Harper (5'11", fumbled punt return in Denver game) who has nearly 0 pro experience.

That was a waste...

patsfan-1982 · Jan 4, 2016

antonio brown is only 5-10 so you dont have to be tall to be good and Edelman was on pace for over 100 rec 1200 yards and 12 TD's Dion Lewis also would have had close to 1000 yards so thats a big part of the offense that has been gone for half the season plus Gronk missed a few games and Brady still lead the NFL in TD passes so i think the offense will be ok if the OL can hold up

The_Riddler · Jan 4, 2016

bogengames said:
Its the O line much more than the recievers thats killing us.

Losing Solder proved to be more devastating than I imagined...

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