OT: Eagles release Chip Kelly

Nonentity · Dec 31, 2015

JDot said:
I love Chip. But Chip should have listen to Bill, like BOB did. From 2013..

A potential sticking point for O'Brien regarding the Eagles job could be their new general manager Howie Roseman. The club's 37-year-old salary cap guru is known to be held in low regard by O'Brien's mentor, Patriots coach Bill Belichick, and by another strong O'Brien contact, former Broncos head coach and Patriots assistant Josh McDaniels.

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And yet Howie still stands.

Thanks for that link. There's lots of info trickling out now that Chip's been fired.

Bleeding Green Nation:
Eagles' decision to put Howie Roseman back in charge and not hire a real general manager is very troubling

This article does a really good job of pulling together all the different threads. Basically Lurie thinks Roseman (who hasn't scouted a day in his life) can do no wrong, and repeatedly puts him in charge of more experienced men. Chip Kelly refused to accept that, and demanded control over personnel rather than let Roseman near it. He was happy to let ex-NH colleague Tom Gamble run the scouting operation, but Roseman got him fired at the end of last season. So Kelly demanded, and got, complete personnel control, which he probably wasn't ready for.

Philly writer Mark Eckel suggests that Roseman spent the 2015 season poisoning Chip and his allies from the inside - and I think we all know that organisations like that simply can't function properly. Once the team started nose-diving, that was it.

JDot posted a Penn Live about top coaches (including BOB) turning down the organisational disaster that is the Eagles, and Jason La Canfora has an article which basically confirms it.

Rather, very different chatter has been growing in NFL circles for weeks. What's up with the Eagles job? Why don't guys want it? What are their concerns?

I wish I had a dollar for every time someone told me one esteemed coach or another advised one of the Eagles' top candidates not to take the job precisely because of Roseman's presence there. Roseman isn't the general manager they should tie their wagon to. It's clear Chip Kelly wasn't leaving Oregon for anywhere unless he had a large measure of control over the organization, and owner Jeffrey Lurie has already entrusted that to Roseman. There has been trepidation by some candidates to go all-in given the questions about this existing power structure.

The rumblings about Roseman lacking nuance and foresight, about him turning people off with how drunk with power he's become, only grow louder as his coaching search grows stranger

Ex-Patriots director of pro personnel Jason Licht did two tours here in Foxborough as well as 3 years in Philly. No doubt he's told Bill (and Josh McDaniels and Bill O'Brien...) that everyone should stay away from Howie Roseman no matter what....

turkeyneck · Jan 1, 2016

In time, Roseman and Grigson will be superb candidates for NYJFL executive positions. They both show the exceptional levels of incompetence, ego and duplicity that those positions demand.

patsfanincleveland · Jan 1, 2016

Bill Lee said:
Yes, as the article points out, it looks good because it doesn't have a QB on it (other than Mark Sanchez...). And he traded away the 2nd rounder so the new guy's going to have to fill that void somehow.

Sure, but then he goes out and signs DeMarco Murray for lots of money, who proceeds to have a crap year AND stabs him in the back too.

So what if he signed Murray....if it doesn't work get rid of him.

RobertWeathers · Jan 1, 2016

turkeyneck said:
In time, Roseman and Grigson will be superb candidates for NYJFL executive positions. They both show the exceptional levels of incompetence, ego and duplicity that those positions demand.

Grigson's drafts are brutal. He did pretty well in 2012 (Luck, Fleener, Hilton,Allen) but since then he really only has Moncrief to show for the last 3 years. Awful.

When it comes to trades and FA signings, he might even be worse at that than drafting.

turkeyneck · Jan 1, 2016

robertweathers said:
Grigson's drafts are brutal. He did pretty well in 2012 (Luck, Fleener, Hilton,Allen) but since then he really only has Moncrief to show for the last 3 years. Awful.

When it comes to trades and FA signings, he might even be worse at that than drafting.

Would you make him a candidate for the Matt Millen Excellence in Personnel Management Trophy?

RobertWeathers · Jan 1, 2016

turkeyneck said:
Would you make him a candidate for the Matt Millen Excellence in Personnel Management Trophy?

LOL. Hes up there with Notorious BIG (Bobby "Incompetent" Grier)

Bourne Again Christian · Jan 1, 2016

Hammer of Thor said:
Daboll was on the Pats staff as an assistant (mostly wide receiver coach) during the early* Super Bowl years. When Charlie Weis left, he was passed up for the OC role in favor of McDaniels. He wasn't completely happy about that, and was the only Patriots staff member who followed Mangini to the Jets, which put him out of BB's graces. Eventually was offensive coordinator with Mangini in Cleveland and subsequently spent a year each in that role in Miami and Kansas City. Then he and BB made up and he's been back since 2013. It's generally an open secret that he'll be McDaniels' replacement when the time comes.

Of course, the issue is that Daboll's offenses weren't really that good in his 4 years as coordinator. On the other hand, neither was McDaniels' in St. Louis. Daboll's QBs were Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Jake Delhomme, Senaca Wallace, Colt McCoy, Chad Henne, and Matt Cassel. So it's kind of hard to judge his performance based on numbers alone given that QB crew (although we do know McDaniels had great success with Cassel, but the Chiefs didn't have Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Matt Light, Logan Mankins, et al either).

* nice that we get to qualify it as "early" Super Bowl seasons now!

I prefer Kelly if teams are foolish enough to not promote him to head coach.
My concern is losing Patricia he needs to stay.
Mcdaniels is all but gone and honestly im not overly concerned I feel hes a good coach and has a strong relationship with Brady but maybe Brady needs to be pushed and beat up more Obrien or Weis style.

RobertWeathers · Jan 1, 2016

ChrisR2223 said:
My concern is losing Patricia he needs to stay.

I am convinced that Patricia needs to be the next HC of the NEP.

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