Sorry Pats fans, if you don't live in NE or South FL no game for you this week

jmt57 said:

Yeah, this is one of those two times every season when I am glad that the station in Tampon insists on playing the Dolphins at every opportunity, rather than the best game available.

P.S. - You mean you're not a fan of Floriduh's 'no-smoking/yes you can' laws in establishments that serve food?

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If I watch games at bar i normally go to beefs, brass tap or bostons. Some smoke outside but not indoor.

oldrover said:

Well, there might be ONE crew that equaled them... for sheer entertainment value...

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God Cossell was insufferable

jmt57 said:

If they were to sell individual games on demand then it would have to be for a whole lot more than $20.

At that price there's no incentive to purchase the Sunday Ticket.

In addition, if individual games were available on demand, fewer people would patronize sports bars that purchased the Sunday Ticket. Once those pubs saw their number of visitors fall, they too would drop the ST.

Even more importantly, if single games were available to be purchased, then the exclusive rights for the Sunday Ticket would drop dramatically.

From a business standpoint the only reason to sell individual games would be if the NFL could increase profits. Profits from individual games on demand would have to more than offset the decrease in value of the Sunday Ticket - which would be dramatic. DirectTV is paying $1,500,000,000 per year now.

While we as fans would all love to be able to purchase individual games on demand, it just doesn't make any business sense. To do so the price would probably have to be in the vicinity of $100 per game. Public backlash from that kind of price would be enormous.

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Do you work for a cable company?

Yuck Colts/Titans x_x

I'd rather watch Colts-Titans than live in South Florida. That's for damn sure.

Never! ever! give up on that chance you can get it over the air....

Ugh. Steelers-Browns for me. How exciting...

Guess I'll be streaming. Would head to Buffalo Wild Wings maybe, but I've gotta watch the kid.

One of the few benefits of living in Tampa are Dolphins weeks. Of course I have Gamepass and VPN for the other weeks when we are not so fortunate.

pheenix11 said:

One of the few benefits of living in Tampa are Dolphins weeks. Of course I have Gamepass and VPN for the other weeks when we are not so fortunate.

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Yes, we Tampa residents do get that sometime nice benefit of an OTA Phin-Patriot game. Jacksonville vs Patriots has a chance too (I refuse to pay for DTV. I rely on the Internet when all else fails). I previously lived in Sunnyvale, CA and the 9er/Raider duo made OTA Patriot games few and far between.

Side note: Sunday looks wet from Tampa to Miami with temps being mild in Miami. Though it could chance the current predictions for a wet field are high. I guess it may be time to see what this OL and increased snaps for SJ can accomplish if they commit to the run (actually I would love to see the Patriots win this one by running the ball and stopping the run).

Yes... America wants to see the JEST and Buffalo. The implications... the story lines...

Whatever. We'll get Pats games in January

Er I mean later in January.

JJDChE said:

I'd rather watch Colts-Titans than live in South Florida. That's for damn sure.

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When we first moved to Florida it was in Ft. Lauderdale. That was at the height of the Bush depression in Massachusetts (2003). Then in 2006 we moved back the United States in Central Florida (The Villages). No place on earth better than The Villages. I also never miss a Pats game because I have Sunday Ticket (and never had to pay for it. See my previous comment.)

Anyone else using IPTV? I've had DirecTV for around 15 years, switched to them specifically for the Sunday Ticket so I didn't have to go to the bar. Pretty much every year I've gotten it at a discount and this year I got it completely free.

That said I have a neighbor who works for the cable company here in Central Florida. He came across IPTV and bought one for a hundred bucks off of ebay, then paid the $100 "donation" for a years' access to the server. Once he had it and I could check it all out I did the same (paid $85 for a Mag254 with wifi), and LOVE it. Every NFL, NBA, NHL, movie channel, cable channel...well, you get the idea. I'll be keeping DirecTV for now, the Genie system and the reliability make it worth it, but if you're out of market and don't want to pay $300+ for the Sunday Ticket this, imo, is the way to go. All you need is internet and you're not using your computer to look for virus infected links to streams.

SLGDEV said:

When we first moved to Florida it was in Ft. Lauderdale. That was at the height of the Bush depression in Massachusetts (2003). Then in 2006 we moved back the United States in Central Florida (The Villages). No place on earth better than The Villages. I also never miss a Pats game because I have Sunday Ticket (and never had to pay for it. See my previous comment.)

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My ex-in laws live in the Villages. It's not my kind of place, but I'll admit it's pretty cool. I enjoyed going to visit them there.

jmt57 said:

If they were to sell individual games on demand then it would have to be for a whole lot more than $20.

At that price there's no incentive to purchase the Sunday Ticket.

In addition, if individual games were available on demand, fewer people would patronize sports bars that purchased the Sunday Ticket. Once those pubs saw their number of visitors fall, they too would drop the ST.

Even more importantly, if single games were available to be purchased, then the exclusive rights for the Sunday Ticket would drop dramatically.

From a business standpoint the only reason to sell individual games would be if the NFL could increase profits. Profits from individual games on demand would have to more than offset the decrease in value of the Sunday Ticket - which would be dramatic. DirectTV is paying $1,500,000,000 per year now.

While we as fans would all love to be able to purchase individual games on demand, it just doesn't make any business sense. To do so the price would probably have to be in the vicinity of $100 per game. Public backlash from that kind of price would be enormous.

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That could be the case.

Or it might be the case that 10x as many people will purchase individual games than they would the pricey $250 it cost to get the ticket.

Businesses are constantly changing their distribution models and pricing e.g., Blockbuster used to exist, ridesharing didn't, phones once had cords on them, etc.

Probably the unfortunate part is the NFL has a monopoly on NFL football and the licensing deals exist. I would guess that if they let a bunch of players (e.g., Comcast, Netflix, Amazon, google, etc.) distribute football there would be a bunch of different ways to buy football.

IMO. Armchair speculation on my part.

The Villages is the STD capital of FL

jmt57 said:

If they were to sell individual games on demand then it would have to be for a whole lot more than $20.

At that price there's no incentive to purchase the Sunday Ticket.

In addition, if individual games were available on demand, fewer people would patronize sports bars that purchased the Sunday Ticket. Once those pubs saw their number of visitors fall, they too would drop the ST.

Even more importantly, if single games were available to be purchased, then the exclusive rights for the Sunday Ticket would drop dramatically.

From a business standpoint the only reason to sell individual games would be if the NFL could increase profits. Profits from individual games on demand would have to more than offset the decrease in value of the Sunday Ticket - which would be dramatic. DirectTV is paying $1,500,000,000 per year now.

While we as fans would all love to be able to purchase individual games on demand, it just doesn't make any business sense. To do so the price would probably have to be in the vicinity of $100 per game. Public backlash from that kind of price would be enormous.

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Why do you assume that Sunday Ticket will always be there? Making games available a la carte almost requires dissolution of Sunday Ticket. This is all speculation, but I'd put my money on the NFL generating more TV revenue without Sunday Ticket and offering themselves (or allowing networks) games a la carte. The big driver here is access. DirecTV only has 20 million subscribers. 280+ million people don't currently have access to Sunday Ticket and many cannot switch even if they wanted to. IMO the only reason Sunday Ticket still exists is because the NFL doesn't want to open the 'a la carte' can of worms with the Networks. They just let the gravy train keep rolling.

Personally, I'd consider an a la carte package for maybe $100 a season. There's no way in hell I'd ever switch to DirecTV and pay whatever they are charging to get ST. I'd wager there are a lot of people in my place.

Let's make a guesstimate here:

It's estimated that there are 2 million ST subscribers (10% of all DTV subscribers). If the accessible market for a ST/game package went from 20 million to 100 million (there are approx 115M households in the US, assume some people don't have TV/internet access). That's a 5X increase in accessible market. If the game package subscription rate stays the same, that would be 10 million subscribers. At $250 per subscription, we're talking about $2.5B. That doesn't even include bars and public places, which may a much, much higher rate. Thousands of dollars per license.

All guesstimates, here, but you can see how it really wouldn't be *that* difficult to cover the $1.5B that DirecTV is playing them.

They'd also have the option of offering all kinds of different packages, 2 non-local games per week: $100/yr, 5 non-local games: $150/yr, Full access: $250/yr, $20 for an individual game, etc. etc. It would be a big undertaking, but eventually I think they'll get there. They have no incentive now because the money is coming in at a ridiculous rate. As soon as things start leveling or going backwards this option will come up awfully quick.

Sunday ticket on iPad streamed to tv. Yes!

PatsWickedPissah said:

The Villages is the STD capital of FL

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I see you read that stupid book.

The overwhelming number of people here are married couples and the STD there is no different than anywhere else in the world, most likely less since they are older. The STD cases are from primarily stupid single women who since they are beyond menopause think they don't need protection. Overall, since we have 120,000 people here, while there may be a lot for a community, percentage-wise, I'll bet it is far below other places.So, if you restrict yourself to one partner, or if not then you use protection, there is no danger. I have zero worry about it.

Meanwhile, I will take the 35 executive courses that are free for life, the dozen championship courses that average about $1 a hole from May 1 to Oct 14, the I don't know home many rec centers, pools, restaurants, clubs for anything you enjoy -- and all free, and that I can go 15 miles in my golf cart, play a round of golf, and return and it all be on the property (and I live in the middle of The Villages). Also the three town centers and each has a 12 screen theater and each has free live entertainments every night of the year from 5PM to 9PM. Oh, and there are two bowling alleys, softball diamonds, tennis courts, etc. etc.

So, I repeat, there is no better place in the world than The Villages.

JJDChE said:

Why do you assume that Sunday Ticket will always be there? Making games available a la carte almost requires dissolution of Sunday Ticket. This is all speculation, but I'd put my money on the NFL generating more TV revenue without Sunday Ticket and offering themselves (or allowing networks) games a la carte. The big driver here is access. DirecTV only has 20 million subscribers. 280+ million people don't currently have access to Sunday Ticket and many cannot switch even if they wanted to. IMO the only reason Sunday Ticket still exists is because the NFL doesn't want to open the 'a la carte' can of worms with the Networks. They just let the gravy train keep rolling.

Personally, I'd consider an a la carte package for maybe $100 a season. There's no way in hell I'd ever switch to DirecTV and pay whatever they are charging to get ST. I'd wager there are a lot of people in my place.

Let's make a guesstimate here:

It's estimated that there are 2 million ST subscribers (10% of all DTV subscribers). If the accessible market for a ST/game package went from 20 million to 100 million (there are approx 115M households in the US, assume some people don't have TV/internet access). That's a 5X increase in accessible market. If the game package subscription rate stays the same, that would be 10 million subscribers. At $250 per subscription, we're talking about $2.5B. That doesn't even include bars and public places, which may a much, much higher rate. Thousands of dollars per license.

All guesstimates, here, but you can see how it really wouldn't be *that* difficult to cover the $1.5B that DirecTV is playing them.

They'd also have the option of offering all kinds of different packages, 2 non-local games per week: $100/yr, 5 non-local games: $150/yr, Full access: $250/yr, $20 for an individual game, etc. etc. It would be a big undertaking, but eventually I think they'll get there. They have no incentive now because the money is coming in at a ridiculous rate. As soon as things start leveling or going backwards this option will come up awfully quick.

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I think you need to read a certain children's fairy tale, the one about the Golden Goose. The NFL knows what it has. I would say they are not that stupid to do something that might kill it, but then I have to think about their conducting Framegate, so who knows.