Why should Belichick get a pass?

The_Riddler said:

Frustrating that at times he tries to put himself and his decisions to look smart because the decision is "out of the box" and against the percentages above the team.

That OT decision to take the ball out of the hands of a HOF QB who would have loved nothing more than to lead his team down to a game winning FG against his hated rivals and has done it on so many occasions is beyond any kind of explanation.

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Actually, there is an explanation. Its just beyond you.

The_Riddler said:

Frustrating that at times he tries to put himself and his decisions to look smart because the decision is "out of the box" and against the percentages above the team.

That OT decision to take the ball out of the hands of a HOF QB who would have loved nothing more than to lead his team down to a game winning FG against his hated rivals and has done it on so many occasions is beyond any kind of explanation.

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There are no game winning FGs on the opening drive of OT. Surely he would've received if that were the case.

AzPatsFan said:

Y'all are pure goofballs !!!!!!

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Hahaha, you made me spit out my scotch damn it. This is perfectly accurate. LMFAO

Concussion Protocol said:

There are no game winning FGs on the opening drive of OT. Surely he would've received if that were the case.

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I said FG because BB was so confident in his defense that they wouldn't have allowed the Jets to score. And for that matter if BB loved his Defense and its percentages, well they would have had their chance anyway after our drive.

I'm sue BB's line of thought was along the lines of we could easily be stopped or be limited to a FG and then when the Jets get the ball a FG wins it. With the way the defense was playing today, he probably felt better about maybe allowing a FG on the opening drive or more optimistically, stopping them.

Yes, we have the GOAT and all that, but the offense wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire.

I can understand the decision. The defense on that drive was heinous, however.

The_Riddler said:

Frustrating that at times he tries to put himself and his decisions to look smart because the decision is "out of the box" and against the percentages above the team.

That OT decision to take the ball out of the hands of a HOF QB who would have loved nothing more than to lead his team down to a game winning FG against his hated rivals and has done it on so many occasions is beyond any kind of explanation.

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You don't automatically win the game in OT if the team with the first possession scores a FG. The Patriots defense was doing great against the Jets' offense in the second half. The Patriot's had to pull out all the stops just to score one touchdown. Bill's plan was obviously to have our defense stop the Jet's offense then have Tom drive down for a game winning FG. You can't blame Bill because the defense let the Jets score a touchdown in 4 plays.

Th3Birdman said:

Is this sort of behavior accepted on this forum?

I don't even know you, nor have I interacted with you once. What is going on here?

And I've been here for 2 years actually.

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23 months and 30 days too long...

The_Riddler said:

Frustrating that at times he tries to put himself and his decisions to look smart because the decision is "out of the box" and against the percentages above the team.

That OT decision to take the ball out of the hands of a HOF QB who would have loved nothing more than to lead his team down to a game winning FG against his hated rivals and has done it on so many occasions is beyond any kind of explanation.

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If he chose to receive, and Brady led them to a fg as described, it wouldn't be game winning because the Jets would have then had a chance with the ball, and a touchdown still wins it.

The_Riddler said:

I said FG because BB was so confident in his defense that they wouldn't have allowed the Jets to score. And for that matter if BB loved his Defense and its percentages, well they would have had their chance anyway after our drive.

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So either scenario involves a defensive stop. Taking the kick only really helps if you march for a TD. The Pats' offense scored only one TD all afternoon, and they needed a couple 4th down conversions to do it. Not against receiving btw, just not as upset as some people. Pats got pushed around today and if that Jets O lineman jumps on the Sheard strip, the game isn't even close. Having trouble getting upset about the coin toss decision.

The only second guess I would have would be the fact that the defense was just out there. So in hindsight that pi called on MB kept them out there longer at that point. Honestly I don't know if that mattered in the end. Like I said it would be my only nitpick. Not a good one at that. Hats off to the Jets, they got it done.

Mustangs84 said:

If he chose to receive, and Brady led them to a fg as described, it wouldn't be game winning because the Jets would have then had a chance with the ball, and a touchdown still wins it.

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Yes yes, we all get it now. The Riddler dosent understand the game despite trying to sound like he does.

Jackson 2 said:

23 months and 30 days too long...

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Some people have opinions that just translate better on Twitter. Where their thoughts are more concise and better received by the Patriots organization who spend their time reading all of our poignant suggestions.

Tunescribe said:

I'll try here:

1). He wanted to make sure the Pats had the right alignment/personnel/play call and needed extra time to get everyone on the same page.

2). He played the percentages; plus, the punt went into the end zone for a touchback. I was OK with that choice.

3). With the offense on shaky ground with all the injuries, he felt he had a better chance of winning by putting the defense out there to ultimately force a punt and then win with a field goal.

4). This one I couldn't figure out myself, but the Pats have been doing this a lot the last few games. I think it's just a lack of confidence that good things can happen and a concern that something might backfire.

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Rebuttal
1) Are you saying they were disorganized? That's on the coach and or coaches. Maybe BB had a change of heart? Losing the TO changed their options...but given BB's apprehension to put his offense on the field....ultimately an irrelevant TO
2) I get the % response....11 vs. 10.....yet did it seem as if the punt team was hell bent on attacking? Not to me....not at all. The most passive punt block attempt in recent memory....not committed to the task. If BB actually expected that punt to clear the goal line....then BB is the swammy
Edit......on second thought...BB likely scared to death to allow his punt returner to field the ball given recent fumble history. And the weak block effort....just going through the motions....praying for no penalties....get to OT
3) Regarding taking the ball in OT......I want the opportunity to NEVER allow the opposition offense on the field...every time.....call it the DOOR SLAM Option. The Pats relinquished the Door Slam option and served the JESTs this option on a platter. Lets say NE successfully defended the JESTs first offensive series in OT and punted from their 28......40 yard net punt....Pats ball on the their own 32. Relinquishing the Door Slam option netted 12 yards better field position.....Is it worth it given the sudden death nature of an OT TD...NO EFFING WAY.
4) Pats are 0-3 when taking foot off the pedal with the ball inside 2 minutes/2nd qtr. A point scoring opportunity willingly forfeited.......I am beyond puzzled.....apparently BB fears his offense.

One thing is very clear from the complaints about the game in this thread:
Some here have zero idea how to evaluate probabilistic decisions - no way you can evaluate a decision based on a single outcome.

borg said:

Lets say NE successfully defended the JESTs first offensive series in OT and punted from their 28......40 yard net punt....Pats ball on the their own 32. Relinquishing the Door Slam option netted 12 yards better field position.....Is it worth it given the sudden death nature of an OT TD...NO EFFING WAY.

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It doesn't work that way. You also have to factor in that you won't need 80 yards to win the game anymore. You are looking at an advantage of (if you say you need to get to the Jets 35 for a FG) 47 yards in you scenario.

Concussion Protocol said:

So either scenario involves a defensive stop. Taking the kick only really helps if you march for a TD. The Pats' offense scored only one TD all afternoon, and they needed a couple 4th down conversions to do it. Not against receiving btw, just not as upset as some people. Pats got pushed around today and if that Jets O lineman jumps on the Sheard strip, the game isn't even close. Having trouble getting upset about the coin toss decision.

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So you're saying that you weren't surprised and that you were happy that BB decided to kickoff? I'm curious to see how often in NFL history that given somewhat normal weather conditions that any team decided to make this decision to start an OT. I am very curious. I would be shocked if it's over 4%. Esp a team that rostered a legendary, HOF QB.

borg said:

Rebuttal
1) Are you saying they were disorganized? That's on the coach and or coaches. Maybe BB had a change of heart? Losing the TO changed their options...but given BB's apprehension to put his offense on the field....ultimately an irrelevant TO
2) I get the % response....11 vs. 10.....yet did it seem as if the punt team was hell bent on attacking? Not to me....not at all. The most passive punt block attempt in recent memory....not committed to the task. If BB actually expected that punt to clear the goal line....then BB is the swammy
3) Regarding taking the ball in OT......I want the opportunity to NEVER allow the opposition offense on the field...every time.....call it the DOOR SLAM Option. The Pats relinquished the Door Slam option and served the JESTs this option on a platter. Lets say NE successfully defended the JESTs first offensive series in OT and punted from their 28......40 yard net punt....Pats ball on the their own 32. Relinquishing the Door Slam option netted 12 yards better field position.....Is it worth it given the sudden death nature of an OT TD...NO EFFING WAY.
4) Pats are 0-3 when taking foot off the pedal with the ball inside 2 minutes/2nd qtr. A point scoring opportunity willingly forfeited.......I am beyond puzzled.....apparently BB fears his offense.

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Most of your rebuttal boils down to a fan's preferences, which is fine. I offered BB's rationales as I saw them and found them pretty sound. Where you're dead wrong is point No. 1. Calling a time out to make sure you've got things right in a critical situation is just good coaching, nothing to do with being "disorganized."

FibSeq13478 said:

One thing is very clear from the complaints about the game in this thread:
Some here have zero idea how to evaluate probabilistic decisions - no way you can evaluate a decision based on a single outcome.

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Guys who sit in their moms basement and play Madden can. They have all the answers. Just ask them.

I don't want to see Belichick out there catching passes. If anything I'd rather he block in the trenches -- when Waddle went down I expected Belichick to grab a helmet.

The_Riddler said:

So you're saying that you weren't surprised and that you were happy that BB decided to kickoff? I'm curious to see how often in NFL history that given somewhat normal weather conditions that any team decided to make this decision to start an OT. I am very curious. I would be shocked if it's over 4%. Esp a team that rostered a legendary, HOF QB.

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Was completely ambivalent about kicking or receiving. When you kick, you bait the other team into punting or kicking FGs in short yardage 4th downs. I like that aspect. The downside is that defenses tire, and that can burn you. Pros and cons both ways. As for the HOF QB argument, you should also mention worst OL, RB, and WR groups he's ever played with. This offense is a shell. No way in hell do I think they drive 80 for a TD.