Watch out for the NFL* shenanigans today. Footballs will be measured during today's game

Halifax_Pats_Fan · Dec 20, 2015

Am I not understanding something....don't the conditions have to be the same...the same atmospheric conditions....this should not be rocket science.

Wait...I forgot about the nfl wanting the conditions NOT to be the same.

bSPN is revving up the social media campaign as we speak...

Bobsyouruncle · Dec 20, 2015

I heard they weighed the same as a duck. We may be in trouble.

NE_Zealot · Dec 20, 2015

We'll get the results the same day the NFL discloses their findings on the Andrew Luck injury report investigation.

Betterthanmost · Dec 20, 2015

TB_Helmet said:
I was thinking about it, and I know we hate to hear this, but the correct way to do this from a scientific standpoint is to let the footballs warm up at halftime and then measure the PSI level. That way if it's under the 12.5 limit, you know the footballs were tampered with. You negate any effect brought on by a temperature change. That's what they SHOULD have done last January.

The Patriots should still be conducting their own measurements and broadcasting them far and wide.

You have a dangerous notion about footballs. You have assumed it is a lossless system. In that case, If I pump up a football, it should have the same pressure 10 years from now?

Koma · Dec 20, 2015

vuudu said:
You have a dangerous notion about footballs. You have assumed it is a lossless system. In that case, If I pump up a football, it should have the same pressure 10 years from now?

That is literally what a couple of employees of Wilson Footballs believe:

Jenkins suggested “maybe in a year or two” the PSI would fluctuate after being introduced to different environments, which seems to fly in the face of the dozens upon dozens of amateur science experiments that took place throughout New England last week. He did, however, relent that the ball’s pressure may change if you put it in a freezer, then unfreeze it.

"Well it couldn't unless something happened to a bladder, but that really doesn't happen and there's no other real way,” Wilson’s director of experiential marketing Molly Wallace said.

Just inflate a ball once and it will never lose air and the PSI will never change

TB_Helmet · Dec 20, 2015

vuudu said:
You have a dangerous notion about footballs. You have assumed it is a lossless system. In that case, If I pump up a football, it should have the same pressure 10 years from now?

That is an excellent point. My guess is that a negligible amount of air escapes from the football over the course of four hours, even with the beating it takes. I haven't read anything either way though.

(Obviously 'air escaping' is different than 'pressure change').

AQPE · Dec 20, 2015

blackglass3 said:
If our local media had any balls, they'd have been running these tests every week since the season started.

I must assume that you are being sarcastic here. As we all know the local media are far too busy right now trying to deduce Brady's true political views and other such crap having nothing to do with football (not including the Reiss', Price's, Howe's, Curran's, etc. who actually believe in working the job they have).

RayClay · Dec 20, 2015

vuudu said:
You have a dangerous notion about footballs. You have assumed it is a lossless system. In that case, If I pump up a football, it should have the same pressure 10 years from now?

Yes, this whole fiasco is a joke. we should just ignore it and play football.

DaBruinz · Dec 20, 2015

TB_Helmet said:
Right, but the point of this (stupid) exercise, as stated by the NFL, isn't to determine the effect of weather on PSI levels. It is to make sure that no teams are tampering with footballs. The NFL absolutely doesn't want to find out what the effect of weather is on footballs, because they'd have to give us our draft picks back. There's no way they'll measure them outside in cold weather. That's why the Patriots should be doing this.

The point of the "exercise" has nothing to do with the NFL preventing tampering with the footballs. Why? Because they already know that no such tampering occurred. Just like they know that it was the weather that affected the footballs. They are trying to keep up appearances so that people don't accuse them of rigging the games and a full on investigation gets launched into their game day processes and procedures..

RelocatedPatFan · Dec 21, 2015

I wonder if their "de novo" request could backfire and the courts request they hand over their findings on PSI this season.

Not going to happen, but would be interesting if it was requested (or really wanting anything to backfire and blow up in their face).

smg93 · Dec 21, 2015

Koma said:
That is literally what a couple of employees of Wilson Footballs believe:

Just inflate a ball once and it will never lose air and the PSI will never change

If that's the case, why does Wilson sell so many needles and pumps then? According to this, you pump it in the factory once and never have to adjust ever again?

DarrylS · Dec 21, 2015

Instead of randomly testing footballs they announce what teams footballs they are going to analyze, do they really expect any chicanery???.. the absurdity of the NFL continues..

Instead of doing a year long study of climate and game conditions of the PSI of NFL Footballs they chose to announce what balls they are going to check and when they are going to do it, and then not record the results..... they do not want to know the results.

The first thing I checked this morning were any tweets from Mort..

Silver Blue&Red · Dec 21, 2015

Ross12 said:
I hope the Pats film their crew inflating the footballs to spec and have video proof of them handing them off to the refs without any other chance for alteration.

However, even if the numbers come out and aren't favorable (they may not be, since it's not a wet game), who gives a s***? The NYJFL already punished the Pats for it. What're they gonna do? Dock an extra pick after the fact just 'cause?

However, IMO I don't think we will ever hear the results.

I don't think we'll hear anything about it, if they even find anything, until they need to. Like the re-appeal. Ala "broken cell phone gate".

Nitro · Dec 21, 2015

ChessToCheckers said:
a bit disappointed that the Pats didn't get out in front of this tactic from Week #1.

You think kraft would allow the team to embarrass his hero goodell any further?

goheels22002 · Dec 21, 2015

DarrylS said:
Instead of randomly testing footballs they announce what teams footballs they are going to analyze, do they really expect any chicanery???.. the absurdity of the NFL continues..

Instead of doing a year long study of climate and game conditions of the PSI of NFL Footballs they chose to announce what balls they are going to check and when they are going to do it, and then not record the results..... they do not want to know the results.

The first thing I checked this morning were any tweets from Mort..

ESPN's Chris Mortenson is reporting that an intoxicated man with a bag of cash and purple pills in the back of a limo gave him a photo proving that 11 out 12 footballs used by the Patriots against Tennessee were filled with helium. Mort could not be reached for comment.

ANGR89 · Dec 22, 2015

So why haven't we beard the results of this testing? I mean we all know the nfl has the resources to get that information out there quickly!
Not that I trust the nfl with their testing procedure in the least but do find it kind of funny nothing has been released, after AFC championship game it was all over before I got out of bed next morning! I'm thinking they didn't find what they wanted so best to keep those results quiet!

ANGR89 · Dec 22, 2015

The more I think about it the more I get pissed, I really do think their hoping to take some of the attention away from the Concussion movie. They wait to file their papers until week of movie and they just happen to make this the week to check Patriots balls. Just to make sure everyone hasn't forgot about this major cheating scandal and hopefully talk more about that than the movie. I so hope this back fires on them.

RayClay · Dec 22, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
I heard they weighed the same as a duck. We may be in trouble.

Yes. Here's a clip from the winter meetings as Goodell selects Blandino the wise as his VP of refs.

Tony2046 · Dec 22, 2015

They want the footballs inflated to 13 psi =/- 0.5 psi. Check.

They inflate/test football pressure in a 70 deg F locker room. Check

They then use those footballs in a game which the temperature could vary from -20 F to 120 F. What???

Therefor the pressure could vary in a football originally inflated to 13 psi from 8.3 psi to 15.6 psi depending on the game time temp. Wow!!

So why did they care about air pressure?? They didn't.

Just as ANGR89 and many others have posted, this was only about creating a distraction. That's all it was.

RobertWeathers · Dec 22, 2015

ANGR89 said:
The more I think about it the more I get pissed, I really do think their hoping to take some of the attention away from the Concussion movie. They wait to file their papers until week of movie and they just happen to make this the week to check Patriots balls. Just to make sure everyone hasn't forgot about this major cheating scandal and hopefully talk more about that than the movie. I so hope this back fires on them.

Not sure about the movie redirect but the appeal brief and the leak to the press that they spot checked the Pats footballs on Sunday was absolutely a coordinated PR effort.

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