OT: Alfonzo Dennard violates probation, back in jail

Prison football teams need cornerbacks too.

JMC00 said:

Former Nebraska DB Alfonzo Dennard Violates Probation

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5 day bid isn't ****... He isn't getting any street cred for that...

Failing probation because you had a few drinks.


Only in America....

Rumour is that his agent lined up a roster spot for him with the Lions, which led to the drinking and desire to go back to prison...

Okay I made that up. That's why it's a rumour. But it's more work than most ESPN writers do, and it makes more sense than half the ******** they write.

Nonentity said:

Failing probation because you had a few drinks.


Only in America....

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When those are the conditions of your probation...well, yeah!

Jackson 2 said:

When those are the conditions of your probation...well, yeah!

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It's a stupid condition. There's nothing illegal about having a drink, so why set it as a parole condition?

The reason is that the criminal justice system needs customers, otherwise many prisons would close and various people would make less money, it makes far more sense to strip people of their rights and cage them.

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Snake Eyes said:

It's a stupid condition. There's nothing illegal about having a drink, so why set it as a parole condition?

The reason is that the criminal justice system needs customers, otherwise many prisons would close and various people would make less money, it makes far more sense to strip people of their rights and cage them.

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Perhaps because when Dennard was convicted of assaulting a police officer, his defense was that the cause of the assault was his intoxication/blackout caused by his addiction to alcohol.

Had so much potential

Jackson 2 said:

Perhaps because when Dennard was convicted of assaulting a police officer, his defense was that the cause of the assault was his intoxication/blackout caused by his addiction to alcohol.

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Did he assault a cop when he was caught drinking this time? He had his brushes with the law and has been relatively well behaved since, if he was doing something which actually produced a victim I'd be more sympathetic to your position.

Snake Eyes said:

Did he assault a cop when he was caught drinking this time? He had his brushes with the law and has been relatively well behaved since, if he was doing something which actually produced a victim I'd be more sympathetic to your position.

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I don't have a position on this matter. Here's the situation as I understand it in simpler terms I hope you can understand: Dennard assaulted a police officer. Part of his defense was that being under the influence of alcohol was the main reason he did it. The judge agreed and, in exchange for probation rather sentencing Dennard to jail, imposed alcohol abstinence as a condition of that probation. Dennard accepted and agreed to that condition with the understanding that if he were caught drinking, he'd go to jail. Subsequently, Dennard drank, was caught and thus knowingly violated his probation. Ergo, he's in the clink. Clear enough for you?

Snake Eyes said:

Did he assault a cop when he was caught drinking this time? He had his brushes with the law and has been relatively well behaved since, if he was doing something which actually produced a victim I'd be more sympathetic to your position.

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IIRC his second offense was DUI while on probation or parole for the first offense. DUI is something that all too frequently does produce a victim, so the criminal justice system takes a very dim view of it. Under the circumstances his inability to stay sober when told there are serious consequences to not doing so is a very bad thing. Arguably better to be harsh now than to wait until his DUI produces a victim.

Jackson 2 said:

Perhaps because when Dennard was convicted of assaulting a police officer, his defense was that the cause of the assault was his intoxication/blackout caused by his addiction to alcohol.

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And moved quickly to violate it the first time via another alcohol related charge, when he was caught driving drunk. This is now the 3rd time that Dennard has caught charges from the result of drinking, twice violating the terms of his sweetheart deal probation sentence. Of course he's going to be tested for drugs/alcohol as part of his probation. Not sure why this would be surprising to anyone?

As mentioned before, he's only failing tests for alcohol in his system if he's actually been consuming drinks within hours of his test, so it's more than obvious to everyone that he has a serious problem. He could've easily drank every single night in the comfort of his own home with absolutely zero repercussions, had he chosen to do so. Screw this "violation of basic human rights" ********, at least in this particular case. No one could have realistically stopped Dennard from getting drunk every single day, had he chosen to do it with any semblance of intelligence or self control.

To think he once was a promising young talent here.

Snake Eyes said:

It's a stupid condition. There's nothing illegal about having a drink, so why set it as a parole condition?

The reason is that the criminal justice system needs customers, otherwise many prisons would close and various people would make less money, it makes far more sense to strip people of their rights and cage them.

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The reason it was a condition of his parole is because the reason he had been arrested in the first place was for a incident that occurred while he'd been drinking in which he hit a police officer..

Jackson 2 said:

I don't have a position on this matter. Here's the situation as I understand it in simpler terms I hope you can understand: Dennard assaulted a police officer. Part of his defense was that being under the influence of alcohol was the main reason he did it. The judge agreed and, in exchange for probation rather sentencing Dennard to jail, imposed alcohol abstinence as a condition of that probation. Dennard accepted and agreed to that condition with the understanding that if he were caught drinking, he'd go to jail. Subsequently, Dennard drank, was caught and thus knowingly violated his probation. Ergo, he's in the clink. Clear enough for you?

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Nice strawman argument.

It's not that I don't understand why he's in jail, my point is that complete alcohol abstinence is stupid. Successfully completing a treatment program makes a lot more sense in terms of addressing the root cause, but go ahead, talk down to me some more if you think it makes your point stronger.

Snake Eyes said:

Nice strawman argument.

It's not that I don't understand why he's in jail, my point is that complete alcohol abstinence is stupid. Successfully completing a treatment program makes a lot more sense in terms of addressing the root cause, but go ahead, talk down to me some more if you think it makes your point stronger.

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GFY

Alfonzo Dennard? WTF is he?

n6249c said:

IIRC his second offense was DUI while on probation or parole for the first offense. DUI is something that all too frequently does produce a victim, so the criminal justice system takes a very dim view of it. Under the circumstances his inability to stay sober when told there are serious consequences to not doing so is a very bad thing. Arguably better to be harsh now than to wait until his DUI produces a victim.

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I understand the reasoning behind the decision but unfortunately we have a very foolish view of substance abuse treatment when we buy into the abstinence mentality. If someone is a chronic over-eater we don't tell them to abstain from food forever, same thing with people who are sex addicts but suddenly we shift the addiction to alcohol and it's apparently a brilliant idea.

Ideally we want people to be able to function and have alcohol in appropriate amounts but we don't want them go overboard in a manner that becomes a problem.

Jackson 2 said:

GFY

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Very elegant response, please let me know if you have an actual argument that counters any of my points.

Have a wonderful day.