Gronk Watch

Rob0729 said:

If Gronk comes back if the bone is healed, but he is at 80-90%, I don't think you really need to make an evaluation process. He is worth the money to keep even with injuries.

If our fears are that his father is going to make him sit out until he is 100% are true, then the Pats have to start to consider seeing what they can get in a trade. Gronk is a grown man and if he is letting his father be that father on the Pop Warner field telling the coach how to coach his son, then they should consider cutting bait if they can get good trade value.

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I have two sons older than Gronk, and if either of them were being coerced into working with an injury that could threaten their future health and career, I would do the same exact thing. The Pats and the NYJFL have proven that they aren't real concerned about taking risks with players so I'm pretty sure that I would be looking for a second, third or even a fourth opinion. You're making it sound as if Papa and Gronk have made this decision on their own, which I doubt very much.

mosslost said:

Problem is its up to Gronk and HIS team, not the Pats.

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As it should be.

rochrist said:

Seems like you ought to give some thought to changing your handle.

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Gronk's daddy has managed to bring up not 1, not 2, but 3 sons who played in the NFL. Gronkowski123 fits like a glove, and you are correct that the handle is with the wrong person.

fgssand said:

How anyone can question Gronks toughness and willingness to play is beyond me.

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If this was happening in a vacuum I'd agree with you. But given the context of the beginning of the 2014 season and "full participation in practice, inactive for game" week after week, that's a context that's legitimate to take into account when having opinions of the current situation.

QuantumMechanic said:

If this was happening in a vacuum I'd agree with you. But given the context of the beginning of the 2014 season and "full participation in practice, inactive for game" week after week, that's a context that's legitimate to take into account when having opinions of the current situation.

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He played all meaningful games in 2014. I think you meant 2013 when also he missed majority of the preseason workouts (OTA + TC) after 4 surgeries and a nasty infection within a few months. One would say that this might have just played into him having a late start.

The Patriots have thirteen players on their injury report. If their families refused
to let them play, the Patriots would play the game with a 40 man roster. This is pro
football with grown men not high school football.
The Patriots have a tough decision to make. Gronk is due a large bonus early in the
2016 league year. Do you give the best tight end ever this bonus knowing he won't
play if he gets dinged up?

Jimke said:

The Patriots have thirteen players on their injury report. If their families refused
to let them play, the Patriots would play the game with a 40 man roster. This is pro
football with grown men not high school football.
The Patriots have a tough decision to make. Gronk is due a large bonus early in the
2016 league year. Do you give the best tight end ever this bonus knowing he won't
play if he gets dinged up?

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Yes.

What is the tough decision? Pay him. He's the most uncoverable passing target in the league.

Jimke said:

The Patriots have a tough decision to make.

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No they don't

Do you give the best tight end ever this bonus knowing he won't
play if he gets dinged up?

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How is this even a question

Jimke said:

The Patriots have thirteen players on their injury report. If their families refused
to let them play, the Patriots would play the game with a 40 man roster. This is pro
football with grown men not high school football.
The Patriots have a tough decision to make. Gronk is due a large bonus early in the
2016 league year. Do you give the best tight end ever this bonus knowing he won't
play if he gets dinged up?

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Another uninformed individual making a fool of himself.

A bone bruise is a lot more serious thank you think it is. This has been posted numerous times already, and it seems as if people just ignore it.

Also, as someone pointed out in a previous post, back in 2013 he had a incredibly tough offseason - undergoing multiple surgeries, the infection, etc.

There is zero indication that he won't play if he gets "dinged up." Zero. The injuries that have kept him out have been very legit.

He's the best TE of all time, and a large part of why we won the SB last year.

Good news. Gronk back at practice.



So he should be on track to play next week vs. the Titans. If he plays then, I owe him an apology. If he misses that game too, then we need to look at his dad.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

He's the most uncoverable passing target in the league.

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How do you define this?
Just to have a little stat fun, I decided to examine your very realistic assumption.... "Gronk is the most uncoverable passing target in the league" statement. The data is interesting.
1) In 2015, Gronk is catching 18.5% of TB12 completed passes (5 out 27 completions/game). Considering there are 5 available pass catchers (WRs, TEs, RBs) in a typical offensive play.....it is very surprising that Gronk catches less than 1/5 of completions. Julio Jones catches 33% of Atlanta's completions.
2) Gronk's target rate is 62% (catches/pass attempts to Gronk). Julio Jones target rate is 64.5%.

Using these two pieces of data, Gronk is not living up to "most uncoverable" status, especially given Brady's reluctance to pass in his direction...21% of targets....at least when compared to another top NFL target.
If the argument is "Gronk, the endzone target".....then he surely would the "most uncoverable"
Edit....Eifert owns the endzone (12 TDs)

Rob0729 said:

Good news. Gronk back at practice.



So he should be on track to play next week vs. the Titans. If he plays then, I owe him an apology. If he misses that game too, then we need to look at his dad.

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I drafted Gronk #1 on 75% of my fantasy teams and playoffs start this week. Someone tape an aspirin on his knee

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 2m2 minutes ago
Gronk had a plastic brace on his right knee. He looked fine while jogging, skipping and high-fiving Bill Belichick.

Gronk is more important to this team than I thought a few years ago. Gronk healthy, NE wins. That is all you need to know.

borg said:

How do you define this?

... "Gronk is the most uncoverable passing target in the league"

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I mean that, like only a few other receivers, he is still "open" when he is covered, because he is faster than any defender who is anywhere near as large as he is, and he is much bigger than any defender who is anywhere near as fast as he is, with a HUGE catch radius.

The other people who are open when covered are guys like Dez, Calvin Johnson, AJ Green to an extent, but the list is very small.

Jimke said:

The Patriots have thirteen players on their injury report. If their families refused
to let them play, the Patriots would play the game with a 40 man roster. This is pro
football with grown men not high school football.
The Patriots have a tough decision to make. Gronk is due a large bonus early in the
2016 league year. Do you give the best tight end ever this bonus knowing he won't
play if he gets dinged up?

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Give that man his money.........

fgssand said:

Give that man his money.........

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Check! Check! Check! Check!

Rob0729 said:

So he should be on track to play next week vs. the Titans. If he plays then, I owe him an apology.

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You and a lot of fans/posters who took their paranoia to a whole new level in the past 10 days.

You actually brought up the "need" to trade him if his dad happened to be influencing his decision making process on injury management. Think about that for a second.