OT: This year's HOF class semifinalists

Bobsyouruncle · Nov 28, 2015

If you had to be as good as Montana and Brady to be a first ballot HOFer then the HOF would only have one first ballot HOFer right now, and two in the foreseeable future.

ForThoseAboutToRock · Nov 28, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Just to back this up a bit.
Coryell was a HC for 14 years and won 3 playoff games. How does that get you in the Hall of Fame?
His win % was .572 in the reg season and .333 in the postseason. He only made the playoffs 6 of 14 years.
His team finished 4th or 5th in its own division 6 times.

He should go into the Hall of Average

This kinda reminded me of Marvin Lewis:

13 years as CIN HC, .540 win %, 0 for 6 in the playoffs.

So, basically if Lewis does a little bit better, especially in the playoffs, then he gets HOF consideration?

ForThoseAboutToRock · Nov 28, 2015

ViperGTS said:
Do you even read? It's not about the Hall of Fame of which both Manning and Favre need to be in. It's whether they are first ballot. You realize Favre had 330 plus interceptions? That's terrible. I don't care about TDs. He had 140ish less INTs than TDs. That's NOT first ballot no matter what the media says.

It's about a lack of perspective. So your telling me that Favre and Manning deserve to be in the same breath as first ballot guys like Brady? If you do, then you are delusional. If you don't, then they shouldn't be. It's pretty easy.

Jim Kelly, Warren Moon & Dan Marino were all 1st ballot HOF. If that's the standard for QB 1st Ballot, then Favre and Manning meet it easily.

ViperGTS · Nov 28, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
You had me, then you lost me.

It was based on a more stringent hypothetical policy or criteria of who is Hall of Fame worthy from another discussion. In that Brady and Montana are in and guys like Favre and Manning are not.

ViperGTS · Nov 28, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
If you had to be as good as Montana and Brady to be a first ballot HOFer then the HOF would only have one first ballot HOFer right now, and two in the foreseeable future.

Or guys who revolutionized the sport. Otto Graham etc. People argue Manning did. He didn't, the rules changes for him did.

1960Pats · Nov 28, 2015

Froob said:
When the league makes rules because you're too good you know you were great. NBA completely re-wrote the rulebook because of Wilt's greatness.

The only rule that they changed for Wilt that I remember was the addition of the offensive goal-tending rule. He used to jump up under the basket on long shots and funnel the shooter's ball into the basket. What other rules did they change because of him?

What about the NYJFL, who changed rules to help Peyton put up the numbers he did? Does he lose any votes for that?

TommyD4207 · Nov 28, 2015

ForThoseAboutToRock said:
This kinda reminded me of Marvin Lewis:

13 years as CIN HC, .540 win %, 0 for 6 in the playoffs.

So, basically if Lewis does a little bit better, especially in the playoffs, then he gets HOF consideration?

You watch, after he retires.

If you don't think he'll get consideration, you're nuts. Deserving or no, he'll get it. The Lenny Wilkens of the NFL.

Froob · Nov 28, 2015

1960Pats said:
The only rule that they changed for Wilt that I remember was the addition of the offensive goal-tending rule. He used to jump up under the basket on long shots and funnel the shooter's ball into the basket. What other rules did they change because of him?

What about the NYJFL, who changed rules to help Peyton put up the numbers he did? Does he lose any votes for that?

Also changed free throws so you couldn't jump from the ft line and put it in because of Wilt. Think there were a few others as well.

1960Pats · Nov 28, 2015

Can someone explain to me how Jerome Bettis made it into the HOF without a ticket?

TommyD4207 · Nov 28, 2015

1960Pats said:
Can someone explain to me how Jerome Bettis made it into the HOF without a ticket?

Because he was born in Detroit.

(He's also 6th all-time in rushing yards)

1960Pats · Nov 28, 2015

TommyD4207 said:
Because he was born in Detroit.

(He's also 6th all-time in rushing yards)

He must have had a heck of a lot of carries. In yards per attempt he's tied for 204th with 34 other players.

glm · Nov 29, 2015

1960Pats said:
He must have had a heck of a lot of carries. In yards per attempt he's tied for 204th with 34 other players.

NFL HoF definitely screwed up with Bettis. He was good, but not Hall of Fame good.

DanishPatFan · Nov 29, 2015

Hope Morten Andersen gets in this year

RobertWeathers · Nov 29, 2015

glm said:
NFL HoF definitely screwed up with Bettis. He was good, but not Hall of Fame good.

If you compare his statistical accomplishments with other RBs in the HoF, he is ahead of them.

1960Pats · Nov 29, 2015

robertweathers said:
If you compare his statistical accomplishments with other RBs in the HoF, he is ahead of them.

Does this mean that soon I'm going to have to endure the enshrinement of LaDanian Tomlinson? He's ahead of Bettis.

The idea that a team gave someone the ball more than another runner on another team shouldn't mean that he's a sure thing for the HOF. Another guy is Curtis Martin. His yards per carry has him tied for 106th with 41 other players and he never won squat.

glm · Nov 29, 2015

robertweathers said:
If you compare his statistical accomplishments with other RBs in the HoF, he is ahead of them.

Jerome Bettis had an 8 year stretch where he cracked 4+ ypc only one time.

The only thing he ever lead the league was carries in 1997 with 375.

In the playoffs he averaged 48 ypg.

The only reason why he is in the Hall of Fame is because he has a lot of career volume stats. I think he should be in the Hall of Very Good for the first part of his career, but not the Hall of Fame.

Ivan · Nov 29, 2015

I find it impossible to get interested in HOF voting as long as the Scumbag Borges represents this region. It's a disgrace that a certified plagiarist and agenda driven piece of sh.t is allowed that honor. I have absolutely no doubt he will lead the charge to deny Belichick first ballot entry into the Hall. He needs to be replaced and Curran would be the right choice to replace him.

PatsBoy12 · Nov 29, 2015

I fear Law may sit for a while. I feel like it took Darrell Green forever. How long did it take Aeneas?

JJDChE · Nov 29, 2015

Bettis is a HoF headscratcher. It wasn't like he was the RB on great teams and he rode their coattails in like Lynn Swann did with the 70s Steelers. They didn't win a SB with Bettis. I think it was mostly because he was very well liked among everyone in the league. Very happy go lucky, outgoing guy. Very much like a Big Papi of the NFL. Everybody loved Bettis.

RobertWeathers · Nov 29, 2015

glm said:
Jerome Bettis had an 8 year stretch where he cracked 4+ ypc only one time.

The only thing he ever lead the league was carries in 1997 with 375.

In the playoffs he averaged 48 ypg.

The only reason why he is in the Hall of Fame is because he has a lot of career volume stats. I think he should be in the Hall of Very Good for the first part of his career, but not the Hall of Fame.

I'm not for/against Bettis butin every meaningful RB category he is Top 5 or Top 10.

Not every RB is Jim Brown or Barry Sanders.

Terrell Davis is the antithesis of your concern. Why is he not in?

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