Loss of Jody Nelson exposes Aaron Rogers:

When your teams "greatness" is predicated on broken plays...you're not that great to begin with. Rodgers has never looked "amazing" from within the pocket. I think Green Bay needs a new system.

TBR said:

The media wasn't making excuses for Brady like they are for Rodgers. It's not even close.

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Oh yes they were. And the messageboards were even worse.

Deus Irae said:

His combo platter of weight gain + ankle injury has made him bad enough to be demoted this year. He's not a career long stiff, and he seems to have turned a corner, but he was awful in the middle of this season.

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Yeah. I mostly said that because he had a pretty good game last night if you don't count the fumble and the other fumble that they pretended wasn't a fumble.

TommyD4207 said:

Oh yes they were. And the messageboards were even worse.

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I prefer "explanations" to excuses, but there's no question that I was an adamant defender of Brady, and pointing to the OL along with the receiving corps.

hoeilaart said:

When your teams "greatness" is predicated on broken plays...you're not that great to begin with. Rodgers has never looked "amazing" from within the pocket. I think Green Bay needs a new system.

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So you missed G.B. v. N.E. last season, then?

Well of course he will not be as good without Nelson.

How has Brady looked without Lewis and Edelman?

It is fair to say that Rodger's OL play has been overall much better though.

GB is 7-4 with Cobb and Jones as their only good passing options. You could Argue maybe Rodgers should throw more to Lacy though. The biggest statistical issue is see is the 23.8 PPG for the 11th best offense.

Even in 2013 Brady lead Offenses got 27.8PPG, Brady's lowest PPG are 2013 - 27.8, 2009 26.7, 2006 24.1, 2005 23.7. So basically to find Brady having an offense equal to what GB has had this year you need to go back to years where he had almost no help and the rules were not there to help offense as much.

Deus Irae said:

His combo platter of weight gain + ankle injury has made him bad enough to be demoted this year. He's not a career long stiff, and he seems to have turned a corner, but he was awful in the middle of this season.

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I see what you did there.

Rodgers is still an elite QB just not the by far best QB in the game like everyone said last year. What Brady can do with mediocre receivers is simply so underrated that most thought Rodgers could do the same.

I will not be trashing Rodgers. Look to 2006, look to Brady's numbers, and let 'er rip.

I would take Brady in a New York minute over Rodgers (and anybody else), but 'clutch' does not trump a lack of receiver competence or a defense that can save that offense (see 2006 Bears). It is still a team sport.

Cam is now the MVP candidate, and I would take Rodgers over him any day of the week.

I never felt he was on Brady peyton brees or big ben's level but he is a great QB who has a piss OL a inconsistent run game and James Jones the most over rated WR over the last 6 years as one of his top WR's

GB's current playmakers are slow, lack quickness, a few look like they need to start eating vegetables and lay off the brats.....and their routes lack creativity. Right now, Rodgers targets are pedestrian.
And look how Brady fared without his #1 target last week.....a Rodgers-like statistical performance.
Weapons matter.
I do see more fight in Brady right now. Loved how he was trash talking, working the refs, all fired up despite the beating he took. The hungriest I've ever seen the guy. Let's get him a defensive TD or two and take some pressure off the GOAT.

24 TDs, 4 INTs. Do you think they'll bench him?

I think it's a combination of his own injury, injuries to players around him, and an out of sync offense. Rodgers is one incredible quarterback who is not getting it done this year for whatever reason, but it's not like he's chopped liver either.

The speed at which posters here are ready to rip down a great player to make themselves feel better about a Pats player is beyond ridiculous. It's really an embarrassment for rational Pats fans.

We have a thread knocking down a guy who has his team at 7-4 while throwing 24 TDs to 4 INTs. This is 'being exposed'?

Good lord.

ETA: I suppose that goes to show how great Rodgers has actually been the past 6-7 years. He's getting knocked for having an elite level season and keeping his team in the playoff hunt despite injuries and coaching struggles.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

24 TDs, 4 INTs. Do you think they'll bench him?

I think it's a combination of his own injury, injuries to players around him, and an out of sync offense. Rodgers is one incredible quarterback who is not getting it done this year for whatever reason, but it's not like he's chopped liver either.

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JJDChE said:

The speed at which posters here are ready to rip down a great player to make themselves feel better about a Pats player is beyond ridiculous. It's really an embarrassment for rational Pats fans.

We have a thread knocking down a guy who has his team at 7-4 while throwing 24 TDs to 4 INTs. This is 'being exposed'?

Good lord.

ETA: I suppose that goes to show how great Rodgers has actually been the past 6-7 years. He's getting knocked for having an elite level season and keeping his team in the playoff hunt despite injuries and coaching struggles.

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Wins when Packers have trailed by at least 9 points in a game, at any point in his career: 0

You don't get to have it both ways. If you're going to be graded in the "GOAT" division, you get graded on a curve, and this stuff deserves to be mentioned.

You can't say "OMG HE'S THE BEST", and then when he can't overcome a couple of injuries, then say "But but but...0-line, receivers, defense, etc".

It's not "ripping a great player". It's putting a very good player into his proper category.

No one has once said "Rodgers Sucks". That's an invention in your minds. He's just not the best in the league, and nor should he garner that kind of discussion until he proves he can do it. If anything, this year, he's proven he can't.

Deus Irae said:

Patriots fans shouldn't be casting stones. Have you forgotten the first 4 weeks of last season already?

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You do make a reasonable point however, we're in week 12 of this season, not week 4 of last season. Nelson's been out long enough for Green Bay to adjust, they simply haven't.

FTR, I'm in the camp that a lot of Green Bay's problems start and end with McCarthy but I'm not surprised by Rodgers' performance one bit.

6 straight playoff appearances. A Super Bowl win. 105.1 career passer rating (#1 all time by a large margin). Just read he was the fastest ever to 250 TDs.

This is the guy that the thread is calling 'exposed'. One yahoo called him Erin Fraudgers. WTF is this? 6th grade?

You might not be ripping a great player, but there are plenty here ripping him. Comparing him to Culpepper when he lost Moss. Puh-lease. If anything it's the opposite, Rodgers made Nelson elite, whereas Moss made Culpepper.

Some people just can't handle anyone disagreeing with their precious little opinion. How can you fault someone for calling Rodgers the best in the league? He's been better statistically than Brady and had nearly identical post season performance since he became a starter in 2009 (Rodgers is 6-5, 1 SB, 101 QBR, Brady is 7-5, 1 SB, 90 QBR).

TommyD4207 said:

Wins when Packers have trailed by at least 9 points in a game, at any point in his career: 0

You don't get to have it both ways. If you're going to be graded in the "GOAT" division, you get graded on a curve, and this stuff deserves to be mentioned.

You can't say "OMG HE'S THE BEST", and then when he can't overcome a couple of injuries, then say "But but but...0-line, receivers, defense, etc".

It's not "ripping a great player". It's putting a very good player into his proper category.

No one has once said "Rodgers Sucks". That's an invention in your minds. He's just not the best in the league, and nor should he garner that kind of discussion until he proves he can do it. If anything, this year, he's proven he can't.

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rodgers is a glorified frontrunner.
anytime he's trailing in the fourth quarter, he loses.

JJDChE said:

6 straight playoff appearances. A Super Bowl win. 105.1 career passer rating (#1 all time by a large margin). Just read he was the fastest ever to 250 TDs.

This is the guy that the thread is calling 'exposed'. One yahoo called him Erin Fraudgers. WTF is this? 6th grade?

You might not be ripping a great player, but there are plenty here ripping him. Comparing him to Culpepper when he lost Moss. Puh-lease. If anything it's the opposite, Rodgers made Nelson elite, whereas Moss made Culpepper.

Some people just can't handle anyone disagreeing with their precious little opinion. How can you fault someone for calling Rodgers the best in the league? He's been better statistically than Brady and had nearly identical post season performance since he became a starter in 2009 (Rodgers is 6-5, 1 SB, 101 QBR, Brady is 7-5, 1 SB, 90 QBR).

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Because Brady is 14-4 in the rest of his playoff appearances? Maybe? Also, what are their records SINCE 2009? (Hint: Rodgers is 2-5, one of those being a clutch win over the immortal Joe Webb)

This is the thing, you can throw regular-season stats up all you want, and all that proves is that he's a very good QB on a very good team, which was good before he got there - drafted well - and is still good.

Jordy Nelson "making" Aaron Rodgers is nonsense. You know that.

What you can't refute (and none of the Rodgers defenders can), is once the Packers trail by two scores, Aaron Rodgers has never been able to overcome that deficit. Ever.

That doesn't even pass the Peyton Manning check, never mind Tom Brady.

Newton, Palmer, hell Andy Dalton - I've seen all these guys lead their teams back from multiple scores to win. I've never, ever seen Aaron Rodgers do that. Ever.

It's easy to put up stats when you're a frontrunner, and your defense and coaching can help carry you. Now that it can't, and there have been injuries on offense, where are they, exactly?

I hope you can ignore the people who make the childish nicknames, because those arguments aren't serious - and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Let me go on record with this, ANYONE WHO MAKES A CHILDISH NICKNAME OUT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S NAME IS INCAPABLE OF MAKING A SERIOUS ARGUMENT. (Examples, 'Erin Fraudgers', 'Satan Manning', 'Tom Shady')

The point is, he's a very good quarterback who has shown zero ability to lead his team through any sort of adversity throughout the course of a game.

TBR said:

It's everyone but Rodger's fault

O-line's fault
WRs' fault
Defense's fault
Coaches' fault
Management's fault
RBs' fault
Refs' fault
Injuries' fault
Practice Squad players' fault
Schedule's fault
Patriots' fault

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Those excuses are common. How about excessive video games? That's a new one.

Packers had players-only meeting, apparently over excessive video games

I say Satan Manning or P6 is the exception to the rule