WR Aaron Dobson placed on IR

BradyFTW! said:

FWIW, I still don't necessarily think that Dobson was a bad pick. Picks can only be evaluated based on what could reasonably (or even possibly) be projected at the time they were made.

In Dobson's case, there were no red flags re: injury coming into the league, and before he broke his foot he was a promising-but-inconsistent WR whose career was trending in the right direction.

Breaking his foot sucked, rushing him back so he lost his entire first offseason sucked even worse and it looks like that may have derailed his career. We'll probably never know what he would have been if he hadn't broken his foot, or if his injury had been properly managed. Sucks, but that's how it goes sometimes.

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Correct. He wasn't a bad pick. Before he got hurt he was having a pretty good rookie year.

However, if the criteria is to project out how a 2nd rounder should contribute and perform over a multi-year period he has not met expectations.

aluminum seats said:

Not saying you're wrong but are both of these true? I noticed Brady going to him quickly after he got hurt, but don't remember hearing much about him and Brady.

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varjao said:

The curse continues, **** it I give up, we are not lucky drafting WRs

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We did draft Edelman in 2009, he is a top 20 NFL WR. When you look around the NFL most of the elite WRs are top 20 picks. Johnson, Jones, Bryant, Hopkins, Green, Cooper, ODB, and Thomas were all off the board before we made a selection. There are a few players like Brown who slipped deep into the draft, but it is not like other positions, seldom do WR slip through.

DaBruinz said:

Yes, because when a defender twists your ankle purposely, it's your fault that you get hurt..

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Bullsh.t, Dobson has spent most of his career watching from either the sidelines or the hot tub. I refrained from criticizing him until he failed to produce again this season and that was more than enough time for him to show something. To this point he is a massive bust. The only time he produced anything is when he is 100% healthy and wide open. He's soft, period. Time to move on from him.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

In 2013 the Patriots took Jamie Collins 52nd and Aaron Dobson at 59.

53--Margus Hunt, DE, CIN -- 28 years old and has been a healthy scratch for all but two games this season. Has 1.5 career sacks.

54-- Jamar Taylor, CB, MIA -- Has started 8 games in 3 seasons for the Dolphins. 0 career INT

55-- Vance Mcdonald, TE, SF -- Blocking TE has 23 catches and 1 TD in his career thus far.

56-- Arthur Brown, LB, BAL-- Has less than 20 career tackles.

57-- DJ Swearinger, S, HOU-- unemployed, released by Texans and Buccaneers

58-- Montee Ball, RB, DEN--- unemployed

59 Dobson

62, the last pick of the 2nd, was Christine Michael, who has been cut by two teams already this season.

Aaron Dobson will probably have one more chance to make an impact, next season in camp. He's been a disappointment thus far, but to call him a monumental bust is great hyperbole. The players drafted around him show this.

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Still cant beleive Collins fell so far.

Brady6 said:

What WRs would you have rather had taken after Dobson in 2013? Allen had character issues that likely took him out of play for us given that was the off season of Hernandez.

8-St. Louis Rams-Tavon Austin
27-Houston Texans-DeAndre Hopkins
29-Minnesota Vikings-Cordarrelle Patterson
34-Tennessee Titans-Justin Hunter
41-Buffalo Bills-Robert Woods
59-New England Patriots-Aaron Dobson
74-Dallas Cowboys-Terrance Williams
76-San Diego Chargers-Keenan Allen
78-Buffalo Bills-Marquise Goodwin
79-Pittsburgh Steelers-Markus Wheaton
92-St. Louis Rams-Stedman Bailey
101-Jacksonville Jaguars-Ace Sanders
102-New England Patriots-Josh Boyce
123-Seattle Seahawks-Chris Harper
128-San Francisco 49ers-Quinton Patton
144-New Orleans Saints-Kenny Stills
161-Denver Broncos-Tavarres King
171-Detroit Lions-Corey Fuller
174-Arizona Cardinals-Ryan Swope
186-Pittsburgh Steelers-Justin Brown
195-Houston Texans-Alan Bonner
197-Cincinnati Bengals-Cobi Hamilton
209-Oakland Raiders-Brice Butler
216-Green Bay Packers-Charles Johnson
224-Green Bay Packers-Kevin Dorsey
236-Chicago Bears-Marquess Wilson
238-Baltimore Ravens-Aaron Mellette

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Pretty much nobody here would have been smart enough to learn the Pat's playbook except Dobson and Boyce (an old wive's tale that only the guys we draft can learn the playbook). Terrence Williams would look pretty sweet in Patriot's blue right about now. Kenny Stills and Marcus Wheaton have had their moments. I doubt Allen's so called character issues were so bad that the Pat's would've shied away from him.

scott99 said:

Pretty much nobody here would have been smart enough to learn the Pat's playbook except Dobson and Boyce (an old wive's tale that only the guys we draft can learn the playbook). Terrence Williams would look pretty sweet in Patriot's blue right about now. Kenny Stills and Marcus Wheaton have had their moments. I doubt Allen's so called character issues were so bad that the Pat's would've shied away from him.

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I think Dobson would have played more on a team like Dallas, so when I see what Williams has done I am not overly impressed, also Williams is 2 full years older than Dobson, despite being in the same draft class.

scott99 said:

Pretty much nobody here would have been smart enough to learn the Pat's playbook except Dobson and Boyce (an old wive's tale that only the guys we draft can learn the playbook). Terrence Williams would look pretty sweet in Patriot's blue right about now. Kenny Stills and Marcus Wheaton have had their moments. I doubt Allen's so called character issues were so bad that the Pat's would've shied away from him.

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I always believed the Patriots passed on K. Allen because he was like A Boldin, a tough jump ball receiver who struggled to get open but won the battles for the ball. Dobson was more what they were looking for in terms of playing outside the hash marks and stretching the field. Brady doesn't like throwing it up for grabs so they shy away from guys who make their living winning balls. At this point Dobson has had more than enough time and opportunity and has failed to produce enough to justify a roster spot.

DaBruinz said:

Yes, because when a defender twists your ankle purposely, it's your fault that you get hurt..

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Feel free, to make the case for Dobson, I don't see one. He's a huge, disappointment even, given the low expectations I had for him, which was to simply give them a threat downfield.

Brady6 said:

I think Dobson would have played more on a team like Dallas, so when I see what Williams has done I am not overly impressed, also Williams is 2 full years older than Dobson, despite being in the same draft class.

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Not really worried about the age factor, I'm worried about the crap factor, Dobson is crap, Williams isn't.

Brady6 said:

What WRs would you have rather had taken after Dobson in 2013? Allen had character issues that likely took him out of play for us given that was the off season of Hernandez.

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Hernandez got all murdery after the draft, so he didn't have any impact on their choices. Allen would've been nice here, but he had a few questions too. I was more of a Wheaton guy that year. Disappointed Dobson hasn't panned out, but LaFell has been real good. They'll go back to the WR well next draft, hopefully with better results.

Concussion Protocol said:

Hernandez got all murdery after the draft, so he didn't have any impact on their choices. Allen would've been nice here, but he had a few questions too. I was more of a Wheaton guy that year. Disappointed Dobson hasn't panned out, but LaFell has been real good. They'll go back to the WR well next draft, hopefully with better results.

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I agree, would not be surprised if they pick a receiver high in this draft, 2nd round, maybe 3rd round. Like the last 2 years, this is a pretty good receiver draft.

The Omissioner may have stolen the Pats 1st round draft pick in 2016, but we will have plenty of late round picks, and that's where we get our Givens and Edelmans.

I think we're about due too.

Brady6 said:

What WRs would you have rather had taken after Dobson in 2013? Allen had character issues that likely took him out of play for us given that was the off season of Hernandez.

8-St. Louis Rams-Tavon Austin
27-Houston Texans-DeAndre Hopkins
29-Minnesota Vikings-Cordarrelle Patterson
34-Tennessee Titans-Justin Hunter
41-Buffalo Bills-Robert Woods
59-New England Patriots-Aaron Dobson
74-Dallas Cowboys-Terrance Williams
76-San Diego Chargers-Keenan Allen
78-Buffalo Bills-Marquise Goodwin
79-Pittsburgh Steelers-Markus Wheaton
92-St. Louis Rams-Stedman Bailey
101-Jacksonville Jaguars-Ace Sanders
102-New England Patriots-Josh Boyce
123-Seattle Seahawks-Chris Harper
128-San Francisco 49ers-Quinton Patton
144-New Orleans Saints-Kenny Stills
161-Denver Broncos-Tavarres King
171-Detroit Lions-Corey Fuller
174-Arizona Cardinals-Ryan Swope
186-Pittsburgh Steelers-Justin Brown
195-Houston Texans-Alan Bonner
197-Cincinnati Bengals-Cobi Hamilton
209-Oakland Raiders-Brice Butler
216-Green Bay Packers-Charles Johnson
224-Green Bay Packers-Kevin Dorsey
236-Chicago Bears-Marquess Wilson
238-Baltimore Ravens-Aaron Mellette

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Definitely not the best WR class to be sure... Only Allen, Williams, and Stills have really done much of anything after Dobson, with Allen being the only consistent performer. I actually didn't know of any character issues with Allen; I thought it was injury concerns that made him drop.

I've got no issue with the Dobson draft pick, he was close. Got the measurables and the cerebral personality BB would want in a WR. But just not the heart. And it is so obvious. He needs some Edelman-injections, and he'd be all-world WR. Even his one good reception against the Bills was a double clutch.

He's done D O N E for me. Was done for me long ago. I'm almost relieved to see him go to IR, except that we need warm bodies who know the Brady route tree.

The draft class was pretty unimpressive at WR. Even at the top, Cordarelle was hugely over hyped and has since proven BB right in avoiding him. Keenan Allen has been a tease for San Diego. Hard to justify a top-10 pick for Tavon Austin. Hopkins has been a great Fantasy Player for the Texans.

So, obviously, I'd take Jamie Collins in a trade down to the 2nd Round every time... even with the benefit of hindsight; an amazing pick. Plus, since we found Gronkowski in the 2nd, too, I feel like we've had more than our fair share of 2nd round mojo.

I'm okay that Dobson washed out AGAIN. I'm not angry or frustrated. He really might have been. He was worth a shot. But DONE DONE DONE.

Ivan said:

Bullsh.t, Dobson has spent most of his career watching from either the sidelines or the hot tub. I refrained from criticizing him until he failed to produce again this season and that was more than enough time for him to show something. To this point he is a massive bust. The only time he produced anything is when he is 100% healthy and wide open. He's soft, period. Time to move on from him.

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How is the fact that the most recent injury stemmed from a defender twisting his ankle BS?

Seriously need to check yourself.. OH, btw, his last catch he was double covered.. OOPS..

scott99 said:

Not really worried about the age factor, I'm worried about the crap factor, Dobson is crap, Williams isn't.

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Terrence Williams isn't crap? You do realize that when Dez Bryant was out and Williams was expected to step up, he didn't. he had 13 catches for 233 yards and 2 TDs in the 5 games that Dez missed. He dropped numerous passes while wide open and was regularly pointed to as one of the people who didn't step up with Dez and Romo out..

supafly said:

Having a screw inserted into your foot is not a procedure that will put you back in a month, at least not when it's a "true" Jones fracture.

As a matter of fact, the first 4-5 articles doing a Google search all claimed that his season was in jeopardy. Although it seems to be widely assumed that he'll automatically return in time for the postseason, it's no sure thing. People have setbacks or complications, so there's still some luck needed. The bye week before the playoffs obviously help tremendously.

Dez Bryant missed 7 weeks, and even then many people felt that Jerry Jones was rushing him back. He remained on the injury report and likely increased the usual 20 percent chance of re injury. That's how the Cowboys work, which is about 180 degrees opposite of how the Patriots work.

That's not even bringing into account the obvious differences between Bryant jogging down the sidelines and Edelman being able to stop on a dime, use his shiftiness to his advantage, and beat DBs with YACs. It's a much different game than Dez.

NFL injuries: Julian Edelman reportedly out 6-8 weeks after surgery on foot

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Shmessy - Bryant missed 6 weeks. And that includes the Dallas Bye Week.

DaBruinz said:

How is the fact that the most recent injury stemmed from a defender twisting his ankle BS?

Seriously need to check yourself.. OH, btw, his last catch he was double covered.. OOPS..

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Lol, other than his entire career you have a case. I defended Dobson for a long time but no longer, he is soft both physically and mentally.