WR Aaron Dobson placed on IR

Ivan said:

He had the ability but didn't have the toughness or mentality.

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Yes, because when a defender twists your ankle purposely, it's your fault that you get hurt..

ausbacker said:

Not really. I'm a believer in Dobson but the simple fact is he's had 3 years in New England, has done next to nothing and is less durable than Shawn Crable and Ras-I Dowling. It may be time to cut our losses and move on.

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Saying he's done next to nothing and that he's less durable than Crable or Dowling are complete exaggerations on your part and ridiculous.

DaBruinz said:

Saying he's done next to nothing and that he's less durable than Crable or Dowling are complete exaggerations on your part and ridiculous.

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Dobson has done nothing in the NFL and is looking like another monumental high draft pick bust. That pains me because I desperately want to see him succeed.

DaBruinz said:

Chris Matthews doesn't have speed. He only has size. He runs a 4.57. He's a long strider who can't handle press coverage and has questionable hands to say the least.

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None of the 32 teams put in a waiver claim for him when he was cut a couple of weeks ago, and while that's not the sole predictor of any future success, it is something to think about. He may actually flourish in the Ravens system now, especially when Jump Ball Joe returns next season.

ausbacker said:

Dobson has done nothing in the NFL and is looking like another monumental high draft pick bust. That pains me because I desperately want to see him succeed.

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Remember when everyone was talking about how promising our 2013 wide receivers are? It's scary to think about now (well, it was then too), as Thompkins, Dobson, and Boyce all ended up looking pretty lousy, at least thus far.

I'm assuming that they've invested enough time in Dobson that he's worth keeping around through training camp, but his chances of making the team may not be looking too hot at the moment. We're quite likely to address the situation again in the offseason and have some receivers like Harper and Martin competing now.

ausbacker said:

Dobson has done nothing in the NFL and is looking like another monumental high draft pick bust. That pains me because I desperately want to see him succeed.

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In 2013 the Patriots took Jamie Collins 52nd and Aaron Dobson at 59.

53--Margus Hunt, DE, CIN -- 28 years old and has been a healthy scratch for all but two games this season. Has 1.5 career sacks.

54-- Jamar Taylor, CB, MIA -- Has started 8 games in 3 seasons for the Dolphins. 0 career INT

55-- Vance Mcdonald, TE, SF -- Blocking TE has 23 catches and 1 TD in his career thus far.

56-- Arthur Brown, LB, BAL-- Has less than 20 career tackles.

57-- DJ Swearinger, S, HOU-- unemployed, released by Texans and Buccaneers

58-- Montee Ball, RB, DEN--- unemployed

59 Dobson

62, the last pick of the 2nd, was Christine Michael, who has been cut by two teams already this season.

Aaron Dobson will probably have one more chance to make an impact, next season in camp. He's been a disappointment thus far, but to call him a monumental bust is great hyperbole. The players drafted around him show this.

ChrisR2223 said:

My comment was we cant draft a quality receiver.
We do a excellent job finding diamonds in the rough.
However when we target a guy to use a mid to high draft pick on they have yet to put it all together.
Dobson,Price,Johnson, Tate.
Look at Pitt Brown,Bryant,Wallace, Wheaton.
I want their or Arizonas receiver scout.
Now I know alot of it is offensive system playbook trust level.
Ive heard we rely on timing patterns and route running more than other teams.

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Someone brought up the "great job" that the Packers and Steelers do regarding receivers in the draft forum and then again in the regular forum during training camp. The Pats actually aren't as bad as people make them out to be.. And the Steelers/Packers aren't as great as people make them out to be because they actually draft quite a few and have quite a few busts.

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ausbacker said:

Dobson has done nothing in the NFL and is looking like another monumental high draft pick bust. That pains me because I desperately want to see him succeed.

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Pick number 59 can hardly be considered a "monumental high draft pick bust". While Dobson's best season was his rookie one, he has 53 receptions for 628 yards and 4 TDs. It's been pointed out that the foot injury that cost him so much time was not his fault, but that of the former team doctor. And the latest injury was because an opposing player took a liberty and got away with it..

If Dobson is let go, so be it. Then he'll be a bust due to injuries. But claiming he's been more injured than Crable or Dowling is ludicrous. Dobson at least has credit for 24 games. I don't believe that Crable or Dowling made it into double digits for games played.

supafly said:

None of the 32 teams put in a waiver claim for him when he was cut a couple of weeks ago, and while that's not the sole predictor of any future success, it is something to think about. He may actually flourish in the Ravens system now, especially when Jump Ball Joe returns next season.

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Everyone talks about Matthews as if he's some great receiver. he's played in all of 10 games and has a total of 8 receptions in his career. 4 of those receptions came in the SB against the Patriots.

supafly said:

Remember when everyone was talking about how promising our 2013 wide receivers are? It's scary to think about now (well, it was then too), as Thompkins, Dobson, and Boyce all ended up looking pretty lousy, at least thus far.

I'm assuming that they've invested enough time in Dobson that he's worth keeping around through training camp, but his chances of making the team may not be looking too hot at the moment. We're quite likely to address the situation again in the offseason and have some receivers like Harper and Martin competing now.

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How long is a piece of string supa? As mentioned, I want to see him succeed much like I do every player on the Pats mainly because it means the Patriots will have a strong, diverse squad but how long do you keep persisting?

Hercules Rockefeller said:

In 2013 the Patriots took Jamie Collins 52nd and Aaron Dobson at 59.

53--Margus Hunt, DE, CIN -- 28 years old and has been a healthy scratch for all but two games this season. Has 1.5 career sacks.

54-- Jamar Taylor, CB, MIA -- Has started 8 games in 3 seasons for the Dolphins. 0 career INT

55-- Vance Mcdonald, TE, SF -- Blocking TE has 23 catches and 1 TD in his career thus far.

56-- Arthur Brown, LB, BAL-- Has less than 20 career tackles.

57-- DJ Swearinger, S, HOU-- unemployed, released by Texans and Buccaneers

58-- Montee Ball, RB, DEN--- unemployed

59 Dobson

62, the last pick of the 2nd, was Christine Michael, who has been cut by two teams already this season.

Aaron Dobson will probably have one more chance to make an impact, next season in camp. He's been a disappointment thus far, but to call him a monumental bust is great hyperbole. The players drafted around him show this.

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I'm not going to pretend and lie that I didn't want Keenan Allen because I did but I was fine with drafting Dobson at the time. He had all the measurables and put up some excellent college numbers. The problem is, he simply hasn't fired a shot.

DaBruinz said:

Pick number 59 can hardly be considered a "monumental high draft pick bust". While Dobson's best season was his rookie one, he has 53 receptions for 628 yards and 4 TDs. It's been pointed out that the foot injury that cost him so much time was not his fault, but that of the former team doctor. And the latest injury was because an opposing player took a liberty and got away with it..

If Dobson is let go, so be it. Then he'll be a bust due to injuries. But claiming he's been more injured than Crable or Dowling is ludicrous. Dobson at least has credit for 24 games. I don't believe that Crable or Dowling made it into double digits for games played.

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You're right, it may be a little over the top but the sentiment remains.

makoute said:

Edelman was a great special teamer. And also was a qb converted to wr, not comparable.


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Thats a strawman that you are building. My point is that he also had a history of injuries that cut his first seasons short to the point that it was almost a fluke that he was here 2013. Of course Jules was the more complete player, no question about it.

There is no harm in keeping Dobson around until the TC. He is still cheap and the opportunity cost for 90+ squads is very low.

DaBruinz said:

Where did you get 6-8 weeks for Edelman? The prognosis for him is 4-6 weeks. Just like it was for Dez Bryant. And Bryant came back after 6.

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I got 6-8 for edelman from the articles on this site. I think 4-6 was for Dobson.

Angelpats said:

I got 6-8 for edelman from the articles on this site. I think 4-6 was for Dobson.

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Jeff Howe says that the recovery time for Dobson was also 6-8 weeks. So that would have put his return somewhere between the beginning of the post season, or slightly after the divisional playoff game. Easy IR decision for a receiver that haven't done anything since his rookie year.



Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 13h13 hours ago
The Patriots determined Dobson's high ankle sprain would have taken 6-8 weeks to recover, which led to the IR decision, per source.

High Ankle Sprains are a bytch to recover from.. sometimes surgery is indicated.

Dobson showed flashes of being an NFL player, but was those flashes were never sustained as he had, like so many players, a lot of injuries.. his progress as a player was impeded by his injuries.

The average career of an NFL player is about 3.3 years... Dobson will not make next years club from the tub.

DarrylS said:

High Ankle Sprains are a bytch to recover from.. sometimes surgery is indicated.

Dobson showed flashes of being an NFL player, but was those flashes were never sustained as he had, like so many players, a lot of injuries.. his progress as a player was impeded by his injuries.

The average career of an NFL player is about 3.3 years... Dobson will not make next years club from the tub.

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The problem is also that his hands seems to have gotten worse for every year. They started out good. But now it seems like he let every catch he made bounce in his hands first.

Angelpats said:

I got 6-8 for edelman from the articles on this site. I think 4-6 was for Dobson.

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Having a screw inserted into your foot is not a procedure that will put you back in a month, at least not when it's a "true" Jones fracture.

As a matter of fact, the first 4-5 articles doing a Google search all claimed that his season was in jeopardy. Although it seems to be widely assumed that he'll automatically return in time for the postseason, it's no sure thing. People have setbacks or complications, so there's still some luck needed. The bye week before the playoffs obviously help tremendously.

Dez Bryant missed 7 weeks, and even then many people felt that Jerry Jones was rushing him back. He remained on the injury report and likely increased the usual 20 percent chance of re injury. That's how the Cowboys work, which is about 180 degrees opposite of how the Patriots work.

That's not even bringing into account the obvious differences between Bryant jogging down the sidelines and Edelman being able to stop on a dime, use his shiftiness to his advantage, and beat DBs with YACs. It's a much different game than Dez.

NFL injuries: Julian Edelman reportedly out 6-8 weeks after surgery on foot

Of course, the difference between being out 6 & 8 weeks isn't that much if week 7 is a garbage-time game 16 and week 8 is a bye. With either Cincinnati or Denver destined to have 3 or more looses (they play each other), I'm feeling pretty good about that timetable.

FWIW, I still don't necessarily think that Dobson was a bad pick. Picks can only be evaluated based on what could reasonably (or even possibly) be projected at the time they were made. When a freak, unforeseeable thing derails a guy's career, it's not right to classify it as a failure of scouting, or even a failure of development IMO. The only real organizational failure that's potentially in play here, IMO, is a failure of injury management. And I'm betting that it's a significant part of the reason why the Pats moved on from Gill.

In Dobson's case, there were no red flags re: injury coming into the league, and before he broke his foot he was a promising-but-inconsistent WR whose career was trending in the right direction. Breaking his foot sucked, rushing him back so he lost his entire first offseason sucked even worse and it looks like that may have derailed his career. We'll probably never know what he would have been if he hadn't broken his foot, or if his injury had been properly managed. Sucks, but that's how it goes sometimes.

luuked said:

Edelman has at least a week on Dobson recovery-wise, which is a lot if the targeted time is already the middle of post season.



What exactly makes you question his toughness ? Was he supposed to play through broken feet and high ankle sprains ?



I think it is a bit premature to call it completely. He has one last shot at TC next summer. Edelman didn't have many more receptions in his first three years than Dobson had. I have no expectations anymore when it comes to him.

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I question his toughness because I hand never seen, him fight for a ball. He's 6'3 with decent jumping ability but unless the ball, comes cleanly to, him he doesn't get it, and even, then he usually double clutches Tim I supported the a Dobson, pick and stood by, him for a long time but he needed to show his worth and hasn't done so. If he returns next season he better be a different player or new won't be worth the roster spot imo.

supafly said:

Having a screw inserted into your foot is not a procedure that will put you back in a month, at least not when it's a "true" Jones fracture.

As a matter of fact, the first 4-5 articles doing a Google search all claimed that his season was in jeopardy. Although it seems to be widely assumed that he'll automatically return in time for the postseason, it's no sure thing. People have setbacks or complications, so there's still some luck needed. The bye week before the playoffs obviously help tremendously.

Dez Bryant missed 7 weeks, and even then many people felt that Jerry Jones was rushing him back. He remained on the injury report and likely increased the usual 20 percent chance of re injury. That's how the Cowboys work, which is about 180 degrees opposite of how the Patriots work.

That's not even bringing into account the obvious differences between Bryant jogging down the sidelines and Edelman being able to stop on a dime, use his shiftiness to his advantage, and beat DBs with YACs. It's a much different game than Dez.

NFL injuries: Julian Edelman reportedly out 6-8 weeks after surgery on foot

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Fans are understandably optimistic about recovery from injuries to their team, especially to key players. As much as we would like Edelman for the playoffs, however, nobody should be surprised if is not ready. In a study of NFL players with this injury, the average return was 9 weeks and the range was 6-14 weeks. WRs tend to be on the longer side because they place greater strain on the injury. In addition, the sooner a player returns, the greater the risk of refracture (as we all saw with Gronk and with Romo yesterday). Different decisions for Edelman and Dobson have more to do with their importance to the team than to their expected recovery times. This is no knock on Dobson because Edelman is one of the best in the game.

Return to Play in National Football League Players After Operative Jones Fracture Treatment. - PubMed - NCBI