OT: This year's HOF class semifinalists

If Elway is in then Terrell Davis should be too.

ViperGTS said:

In no way is Farve a first ballot. Interception record anyone?

He belongs don't get me wrong, but first ballot? No way.

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He also held every other passing record when he retired. Definitely a first ballot hall of famer. It's almost like saying Peyton Manning doesn't deserve to be a first ballot hall of famer.

AndyJohnson said:

Don Coryell does NOT belong in the Hall of Fame.

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AndyJohnson said:

Just to back this up a bit.
Coryell was a HC for 14 years and won 3 playoff games. How does that get you in the Hall of Fame?
His win % was .572 in the reg season and .333 in the postseason. He only made the playoffs 6 of 14 years.
His team finished 4th or 5th in its own division 6 times.

He should go into the Hall of Average

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George Allen has a worse postseason coaching record and he is in. Coryell's team's deterioration had mostly to do with a weak front office who kept letting their good players walk.

Coryell created the timing route offense that we know today and his coaching tree also included HOF coaches like Madden and Gibbs and neither those guys would be who they are without Coryell's influence. Same with Mike Martz.

I think he gets in this round.

Favre will get in although i never loved his gunslinger style. Would love Ty to get in.

scott99 said:

He also held every other passing record when he retired. Definitely a first ballot hall of famer. It's almost like saying Peyton Manning doesn't deserve to be a first ballot hall of famer.

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I don't belive that Manning is a first ballot either. Dismal playoff record, and many lost games that are directly on his shoulders. Rules changes to get him his only Super Bowl. Definitely NOT a first ballot guy. Hall of Famer? Yes. That what most here can't comprehend. It's not that Favre and Manning aren't Hall of Famers. It's that they aren't first ballot guys, whom are the Montanas, Bradys etc.

Such a sad state that guys like this have to be lumped in with guys like Favre and Manning. I was a first ballot guy! I was too!

Law was never the same after the lisfranc injury in 2004. It's a shame because if he could have played at high level for just one or two more seasons he would have first ballot numbers.

Tuck said:

Law was never the same after the lisfranc injury in 2004. It's a shame because if he could have played at high level for just one or two more seasons he would have first ballot numbers.

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Very true. He was a tremendous CB. Definitely a Hall of Famer just maybe not 1st ballot in voters eyes. To me, the SB wins which he was critical in plus overall ability he's a first to me.

AndyJohnson said:

Huh? They threw a lot so they called the team Air Coryell. What team uses his offense?
All Coryell ever did was get a few talented offensive players together and underachieve with them.
Fouts, Joyner, Winslow, Jefferson/Chandler, Muncie. Anyone could have put up points with those guys (and the best OL in the league) Coryell parlayed that into a career of 3 playoff wins.

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The 2 that came to mind was Saints and Cowboys but I looked it up and these were the teams that ran the Air Coryell or variations of them in 2013. Saints, Cowboys, Lions, Cardinals, Falcons, Rams, Bills, Ravens, Browns. But saying that, a change in HC and/or OC can change what type of offense a team runs. What they ran in 2013 may not be what they ran last year. It doesn't matter what you run, if you don't have the QB and personnel to run it, any system can fail. Love it or hate it, those Charger teams that used it started a trend that has made the NFL more of a passing league today.

ViperGTS said:

Very true. He was a tremendous CB. Definitely a Hall of Famer just maybe not 1st ballot in voters eyes. To me, the SB wins which he was critical in plus overall ability he's a first to me.

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No question, he will get in at some point.

I'm wondering if he will be the first Pats/Belichick player to get in - outside of Seau of course.

Moss is up in 2017 and all but certain to get in on the first ballot.

A few of Law's stats for old Tyme's sake:
5 Pro Bowls
2 All Pro's
3 Super Bowl wins
4 Super Bowl appearances
53 Int
828 Int yd
7 TD
449 tackles
2000's all decade team

ViperGTS said:

I don't belive that Manning is a first ballot either. Dismal playoff record, and many lost games that are directly on his shoulders. Rules changes to get him his only Super Bowl. Definitely NOT a first ballot guy. Hall of Famer? Yes. That what most here can't comprehend. It's not that Favre and Manning aren't Hall of Famers. It's that they aren't first ballot guys, whom are the Montanas, Bradys etc.

Such a sad state that guys like this have to be lumped in with guys like Favre and Manning. I was a first ballot guy! I was too!

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You should start your own "HoF" in your basement where your ridiculous standards can be applied, because that's the only place you'll ever see HoF voters agree with you. And by 'HoF voters' I mean the stuffed animals you will line up in your basement when you play fantasy HoF balloting and the most celebrated players in history aren't first ballot.

JJDChE said:

You should start your own "HoF" in your basement where your ridiculous standards can be applied, because that's the only place you'll ever see HoF voters agree with you. And by 'HoF voters' I mean the stuffed animals you will line up in your basement when you play fantasy HoF balloting and the most celebrated players in history aren't first ballot.

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Dude, where is all the hate coming from? I don't get it.

You guys think Ty will make it (this year or eventually?). Played a big role two SBs and a 6-0 start on 04 and argumently was the MVP of 36.

oldrover said:

Fav-ruh is obvious. None of the others are... Pace IMHO is the closest.

And in comparing names, I'm surprised at how well Ty Law stacks up. 15 years or so in the league... a bunch of picks, an AFC championship game that forever altered the NFL rule book (for the worse, but still) and 3 rings... hey, you never know.

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When the league makes rules because you're too good you know you were great. NBA completely re-wrote the rulebook because of Wilt's greatness.

JJDChE said:

You should start your own "HoF" in your basement where your ridiculous standards can be applied, because that's the only place you'll ever see HoF voters agree with you. And by 'HoF voters' I mean the stuffed animals you will line up in your basement when you play fantasy HoF balloting and the most celebrated players in history aren't first ballot.

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Do you even read? It's not about the Hall of Fame of which both Manning and Favre need to be in. It's whether they are first ballot. You realize Favre had 330 plus interceptions? That's terrible. I don't care about TDs. He had 140ish less INTs than TDs. That's NOT first ballot no matter what the media says.

It's about a lack of perspective. So your telling me that Favre and Manning deserve to be in the same breath as first ballot guys like Brady? If you do, then you are delusional. If you don't, then they shouldn't be. It's pretty easy.

sb1 said:

Other than Coryell and maybe Andersen I can't see a lot of no-brainer locks on this list. As much as a few of us will probably cringe... I think Dungy gets in soon...he did help revolutionize defense with the Tampa 2.

I'd love to see Law get in obviously.

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The Tampa 2 is from the 1970s.

ViperGTS said:

I don't belive that Manning is a first ballot either. Dismal playoff record, and many lost games that are directly on his shoulders. Rules changes to get him his only Super Bowl. Definitely NOT a first ballot guy. Hall of Famer? Yes. That what most here can't comprehend. It's not that Favre and Manning aren't Hall of Famers. It's that they aren't first ballot guys, whom are the Montanas, Bradys etc.

Such a sad state that guys like this have to be lumped in with guys like Favre and Manning. I was a first ballot guy! I was too!

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Brady and Montana are better qb's but Favre and Manning are definitely first ballot guys.

VrabelJr said:

The Tampa 2 is Monte Kiffin's creation from 20-30 years prior

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Correct. Monte Kiffin was the real MVP of those Tampa teams.

VrabelJr said:

The Tampa 2 is from the 1970s.

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Didn't Dungy modify the original Cover 2?

You would think Ty Law would get in soon but many great cbs had to wait to get in unless you had the polarizing personality of Dion Sanders.

It's a shame because Ty Law was a big part of those Patriots teams successful seasons. Even after he left he had some pretty good years as a safety for the Rats and Chiefs.

glm said:

Brady and Montana are better qb's but Favre and Manning are definitely first ballot guys.

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If they are better QBs, then you've agreed with my theory. They are better therefore Favre and Manning don't get first ballot status. It's impossible to argue that even if they aren't as good they get the same treatment. Man this is such a simple thing to see, yet no one can.

I am truly mistified.