How Awful Was That Playcall By McDaniels/Brady on The Interception ?

Ross12 said:

Hey, at least Harper got a hand on it. Unfortunately, him tipping it with that hand was the reason it got picked...

Imagine being Harper in that situation. Your first NFL game ever, and Brady is throwing to you deep in triple coverage.

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time for Tyms says hi (well first game as a Patriot)

Call was fine, I don't even have an issue with a deep route. But when the kid was covered, that's not a risk you take at that point in the game.

shmessy said:

-40 yard bomb
-5'10" receiver
-who has never caught a NFL pass before
-triple coverage (of course! Who else were those guys going to cover? It's not like they had their hands full with all those Patriots options in street clothes)
-10 point lead
-13;38 to go in game
-Bills had 1 timeout left
- 1st down play at the Bills 45

= I don't think the blocking was the real problem on that play.

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I think you're confusing decisions with process. The play call is what it is. From this clip, it looks like Blount is split out wide so Brady can always bring him back in. There's two TEs on the field and Chandler is brought in to protect. Gronk is at the bottom of the screen, and on the pass appears to be open.

And yeah, blocking was a bit of an issue. Cannon is getting pushed back, and Brady can't step into that throw.

Still, a very poor decision from Brady. But the majority of that comes from Tom, not from the play call. He has a RB, he can audible out of it if he needs to. The timeout is irrelevant at that point. You don't start bleeding clock and playing prevent with 13+ minutes in the game left.

convertedpatsfan said:

I think you're confusing decisions with process. The play call is what it is. From this clip, it looks like Blount is split out wide so Brady can always bring him back in. There's two TEs on the field and Chandler is brought in to protect. Gronk is at the bottom of the screen, and on the pass appears to be open.

And yeah, blocking was a bit of an issue. Cannon is getting pushed back, and Brady can't step into that throw.

Still, a very poor decision from Brady. But the majority of that comes from Tom, not from the play call. He has a RB, he can audible out of it if he needs to. The timeout is irrelevant at that point. You don't start bleeding clock and playing prevent with 13+ minutes in the game left.

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I'm not disputing whether it was a decision or process.. Whatever it was (and I agree it was Brady's decision).

The team was down to TWO wide receivers and he threw a deep bomb.

I'm ok to see that in the 1st quarter. Not in the 4th quarter on 1st and 10 trying to protect a lead just after Amendola joined Dobson on the injury sideline. You don't enter a swim meet the very day after your arm is amputated.

After the play Brady walked away with his head down, he knew it was a terrible decision.. body language spoke volumes on that play.

shmessy said:

-40 yard bomb
-5'10" receiver
-who has never caught a NFL pass before
-triple coverage (of course! Who else were those guys going to cover? It's not like they had their hands full with all those Patriots options in street clothes)
-10 point lead
-13;38 to go in game
-Bills had 1 timeout left
- 1st down play at the Bills 45

= I don't think the blocking was the real problem on that play.

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I agree with each point but the one in red, and I might be the king of complaints when it comes to passing the ball with the lead. It was basically the start of the 4th quarter. There have been many better examples of that problem, including the first game with Buffalo this year.

1960Pats said:

I agree with each point but the one in red, and I might be the king of complaints when it comes to passing the ball with the lead. It was basically the start of the 4th quarter. There have been many better examples of that problem, including the first game with Buffalo this year.

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I hear ya but it was 1st and 10. If it was 3rd or even 2nd down maybe ok, but at least take the 40 seconds or so off the clock.

shmessy said:

I hear ya but it was 1st and 10. If it was 3rd or even 2nd down maybe ok, but at least take the 40 seconds or so off the clock.

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I save my complaints for those times when they have a 20 point lead with 5-10 minutes left, are running a quick no-huddle and passing it on every down. The first Buffalo game was a prime example. That game went from a romp to a one score game because of that.

Also, I never like it when Brady throws long passes. It's the weakest part of his game.

1960Pats said:

Was he throwing BOMBS in the 4th that day? I forget.

Also, I never like it when Brady throws long passes. It's the weakest part of his game.

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I'm ok with it when it is not in the 4th quarter of a tight game into double or triple coverage to a 5'10' guy who has never caught an NFL pass in his life. I believe he got burned by that same kind of nonsense to Slater in SB 46.

He got away with that once to Tyms last year (which, by the way, was on the 1st drive of the second half) and it probably wiped his mind clean on it.

Even a moron like Flacco knows to throw his jump balls to 6'3" or above receivers....unless it is a proven commodity like Stevie.

shmessy said:

I'm not disputing whether it was a decision or process.. Whatever it was (and I agree it was Brady's decision).

The team was down to TWO wide receivers and he threw a deep bomb.

I'm ok to see that in the 1st quarter. Not in the 4th quarter on 1st and 10 trying to protect a lead just after Amendola joined Dobson on the injury sideline. You don't enter a swim meet the very day after your arm is amputated.

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So were you also upset on on ol

shmessy said:

I'm not disputing whether it was a decision or process.. Whatever it was (and I agree it was Brady's decision).

The team was down to TWO wide receivers and he threw a deep bomb.

I'm ok to see that in the 1st quarter. Not in the 4th quarter on 1st and 10 trying to protect a lead just after Amendola joined Dobson on the injury sideline. You don't enter a swim meet the very day after your arm is amputated.

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I wonder were you feeling the same way the play before when they threw deep to Gronk for 27 yards? The logic should be the same, no need for that, up 10 points and down 2 WRs?

convertedpatsfan said:

So were you also upset on on ol


I wonder were you feeling the same way the play before when they threw deep to Gronk for 27 yards? The logic should be the same, no need for that, up 10 points and down 2 WRs?

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Yeah, because Harper 1) has as much experience and 2) is as tall as Gronk.

Sure, the situations were completely analogous.

Just LOOK at the replay, CPF. Please tell me at WHAT POINT is Harper even remotely considered open?

HIGHLIGHT: Gilmore picks off Tom Brady

I think I'm good with the decisions Tom Brady makes on where to throw the football, and will stick by him over message board posters basically saying he is a moron.

AndyJohnson said:

I think I'm good with the decisions Tom Brady makes on where to throw the football, and will stick by him over message board posters basically saying he is a moron.

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That's just sort of silly. You're saying don't ever question what Brady does.

AndyJohnson said:

I think I'm good with the decisions Tom Brady makes on where to throw the football, and will stick by him over message board posters basically saying he is a moron.

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Calm down, Francis. Nice creative strawman. Who said he is a moron?

aluminum seats said:

That's just sort of silly. You're saying don't ever question what Brady does.

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Is that what I said?
I said comments such as 'even a moron like Flacco wouldn't do that' are stupid.

Maybe its just me, but I find it ridiculous that a guy on a message board rips one decision of the best decision maker that has ever played the position, while sounding like he could teach him a few things.

AndyJohnson said:

Actually you said he wasn't as smart as a moron

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Ah, you are confusing one stupid play with a blanket statement about a player. Poor you. You have some comprehension issues on that.

An accomplished person may do a moronic thing in a certain moment. Belichick can't program his car clock. Doesn't mean he is a moron. Belichick will be the first to tell you that he has made several moronic coaching decisions over his career. What's your point?

I feel the decision was horrible (at the time and in retrospect). That doesn't mean he is a moron or a bad QB or even that he had a bad game on Monday night:

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post #50:

"Which makes his performance Monday night one of his greatest ever.

No Edelman, no Lewis, no Dobson and no Amendola (for the last 1.5 quarters).

He was getting pasted into the turf time and again. Now, this information about the Buffalo D knowing the protection calls, combined with what Gilmore said after the game about their secondary already knowing the exact routes the Pats WRs were running, truly make Brady's performance one for the ages for me.

What he did in those circumstances won't be noticed or appreciated by the Fantasy Statboys here and across the country, but it may well have been one of his most impressive accomplishments."

shmessy said:

Yeah, because Harper 1) has as much experience and 2) is as tall as Gronk.

Sure, the situations were completely analogous.

Just LOOK at the replay, CPF. Please tell me at WHAT POINT is Harper even remotely considered open?

HIGHLIGHT: Gilmore picks off Tom Brady

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I'm not defending Brady's decision. On the best-designed play, choosing the triple-cover option is dumb.

But there's been a lot of complaints about the play call. I disagree with that. It's up to Brady to make adjustments and decisions, and he made poor ones. But the play call itself? It's fine.

convertedpatsfan said:

I'm not defending Brady's decision. On the best-designed play, choosing the triple-cover option is dumb.

But there's been a lot of complaints about the play call. I disagree with that. It's up to Brady to make adjustments and decisions, and he made poor ones. But the play call itself? It's fine.

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OK. The word "playcall" was not the right term. Agreed.

Where was this thread a year ago when Brady threw almost the same deep ball into triple coverage against the same opponent to Brian Tyms?

Dont remember a lot of criticism about the playcall back then...

luuked said:

Where was this thread a year ago when Brady threw almost the same deep ball into triple coverage against the same opponent to Brian Tyms?

Dont remember a lot of criticism about the playcall back then...

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