Patriots OLine almost got Brady injured last night...

cannon stinks.

is stork now the full time starter again at center?? they need to stop with the rotating lines. brady always talks about communication/continuity. hard to have that when everything constantly changes.

The o-line play was disturbing. Really need to get that group in sync. I'll throw it out there and bet we see a pretty good o-line at Denver. I have a feeling they will be getting chewed out pretty good.

FourierSeries said:

Rex had a great defensive game plan against us, as is usually the case.

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That's what I was thinking initially, because Rex likes to simulate bringing more pressures than he actually does, but on second thoughts, Brady was picking up most of them but the OL just was not up to the task. Bruschi speaks more about this in his "Bruschi on tap" for the week.

Pretty sure this is why Andrews was yanked for the first time this year- no knock on him but he was likely overwhelmed with all the protection changes at the line. It's one thing to call protections that you run through during practice, but to continually be audibled into something completely different almost every snap, probably resulted in a brain freeze. Again a guess here, but I'm sure something like this happened.

Combine an OL held together with spit and bailing wire, along with only two pure WR's, and that's going to make for a lot of frustration. I don't blame Brady for being salty.

Deus Irae said:

Yeah, I've never seen Brady throw his team under the bus the way he did last night. He didn't pull a Peyton, but he was out of character for himself.

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Maybe I missed something but how exactly did he throw his OL under the bus?

This game was a learning experience for every offensive lineman on the team.

Oh and we still found a way to win.

SammyBlueCat said:

This game was a learning experience for every offensive lineman on the team.

Oh and we still found a way to win.

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It's not the win that worries me but the pounding Brady got, yesterday. Anymore of this and he may be injured.

PP2 said:

That's what I was thinking initially, because Rex likes to simulate bringing more pressures than he actually does, but on second thoughts, Brady was picking up most of them but the OL just was not up to the task. Bruschi speaks more about this in his "Bruschi on tap" for the week.

Pretty sure this is why Andrews was yanked for the first time this year- no knock on him but he was likely overwhelmed with all the protection changes at the line. It's one thing to call protections that you run through during practice, but to continually be audibled into something completely different almost every snap, probably resulted in a brain freeze. Again a guess here, but I'm sure something like this happened.

Combine an OL held together with spit and bailing wire, along with only two pure WR's, and that's going to make for a lot of frustration. I don't blame Brady for being salty.

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It was both. There were definitely a few times when Brady just got it wrong. And there there were times when he got it absolutely right and the line just got schooled. The line had far too many issues last night. They sucked collectively. I will say that I'd like to see Fleming at LT if they want to keep SeasBass on the right. Cannon is going to get Brady demolished.

PatsBoy12 said:

I will say that I'd like to see Fleming at LT if they want to keep SeasBass on the right. Cannon is going to get Brady demolished.

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I've always felt that Cannon was purely a right side player, but every time I mention this to Belichick he just scoffs and grumbles at me.

BradyFTW! said:

True, but given that Kyle Williams missed the game and Dareus was hurt pretty early on, it wasn't nearly as strong a unit as it usually is. Still good, but not so good as to excuse the OL's performance last night.

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Yes, but it wasn't just the Bills D Line that has had injuries.

PP2 said:

Maybe I missed something but how exactly did he throw his OL under the bus?

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I was thinking the same thing. The yelling on the sidelines is not exactly throwing them under the bus after you get drilled in 1.5 seconds on a missed block.

In his comments, I heard 'agitated' and "I mean, there’s a lot of plays that were just uncontested. We didn’t, you know, really have much of a chance." He uses 'we' and failure to execute, so I didn't really detect a throwing under the bus.

supafly said:

I've always felt that Cannon was purely a right side player, but every time I mention this to Belichick he just scoffs and grumbles at me.

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That's more than Patricia got at the SB when he was asking Bill if he wanted to take the T.O.

Brady d

Deus Irae said:

Given how hot salty Brady was towards his OL, I think we can count on a very intense week of work for that group.

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If you watch the news conference, he really wasn't explicitly/publicly salty toward the OL, but was just critical of the Patriots' offensive production in general, that they left a lot of plays out there.

50-yard-line said:

Ryan had 11 days to prepare and recognized that our O-line was a bunch of moving parts again - we're really at the point we were at around week 3 last year. O-line is all about recognition and communication, so I'm told and Rex took advantage of that yesterday.

It has to get better, and quickly.

I hate Cannon at LT - think Vollmer is much better there, and Cannon is better at RT. This coming week, though, that means Von Miller.

I expect Denver to do some serious press coverage against us and maybe have Ward coming hard at Brady a lot.

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Didn't Vollmer play at LT, immediately after Solder was hurt, with some success before he was hurt himself?

raduray said:

Didn't Vollmer play at LT, immediately after Solder was hurt, with some success before he was hurt himself?

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Pretty much. Cannon started at LT against Indy but went out early and Vollmer took over.

Vollmer is the best LT we have right now, Cannon must be blind in his left eye, he will send Brady to the IR someday. Put him on the right side or in the bench, he sucks.

Also, coincidence or not, since Tre Jackson got hurt the line seems very unstable, he is a stud.

Week 11 Patriots vs Bills: Poor Communication Leads to Offensive Line Struggles Against Buffalo

The Bills were getting free plays due to breakdowns in the blocking scheme, whether that was due to the physical and mental error of the offensive linemen, or the misdiagnosis of the defensive front by Brady.

Hopefully the Patriots offense can clean up these errors as they head to face their toughest defensive opponent on the year.

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I am expecting Stork to get the start at center finally and Cannot to get nowhere near LT. Blocking has to improve from last week.

zipster9 said:

One of the hits on Brady, he was holding his head on the ground.. I really thought he got a concussion or something like that...

This very dangerous as the Broncos D come Sunday.

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Playing QB is dangerous.

It was one jail break after another....and without quick strike options......a pig without lipstick. Even at full strength, the 2 second pass routes covered up a lot of blemishes.
The contrast of Buffalo's left tackle swallowing up Jones, for the most part....verses NE RT getting turnstyled every other play. A miracle Brady walks.....and NE won
And the myth of Cannon as a solid OL.......I never saw it, didn't understand it, still don't see it........#PrayForBrady

Monday Night was about as bad as it could have been. Cannon should take a seat and Flemming should start at LT with Vollmer playing his natural position where he is probably the best at it in the entire NFL. Don't weaken multiple positions. Flemming improved weekly at LT and was adequate.

strngplyr said:

Monday Night was about as bad as it could have been. Cannon should take a seat and Flemming should start at LT with Vollmer playing his natural position where he is probably the best at it in the entire NFL. Don't weaken multiple positions. Flemming improved weekly at LT and was adequate.

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Umm.... Did you not watch Fleming play?