PP's Rich Hill claims Bills used Brady's protection calls against him

50-yard-line · Nov 25, 2015

Deus Irae said:
So why didn't all this Bills knowledge and maneuvering work to stop Brady from finding Amendola, and why didn't it work with blitzes?

Why was this only successful when they rushed 3 and (maybe) 4?

Many of those blitzes got to Brady right after he threw the ball - he got hammered and rattled, which I think was the plan.

PrairiePat · Nov 25, 2015

I thought this was a discussion about the guys who were coming in unblocked? There's no doubt that the OL (specifically Cannon) were losing a lot of 1-on-1 battles.

jah · Nov 25, 2015

This is what makes football interesting. Strategy.

PatsWickedPissah · Nov 25, 2015

Galeb said:
I didn't hear it till the second half.

Heard it right away early in the game loud & clear

everlong · Nov 25, 2015

The way I interpret it is that when Brady calls out 53 is the Mike it sets a certain protection and blocking scheme. The defense has to have some idea how the offensive line is going to adapt based on this due to film study coupled with the broadcast audio. So what if the defense is predicated upon Brady's calls? If Brady calls 53 is the Mike the defense switches from one scheme but if 55 is called another. Later in the game I heard Brady say 53 and 55 are the Mike and another time I thought I heard him say 53 is the Mike and 55 is the Will. I couldn't remember Brady doing this in the past and I had wondered during the game if they picked up on Buffalo shifting upon their line calls and this was how they dealt with it on the fly.

First off if true credit Rex for coming up with it. I had actually wondered if teams did this for a long time and if not why the hell hadn't somebody thought of it. Second if the Pats picked up on it that fast it probably did mean somebody has tried this in the past but if not that just lends to the legend of TB/BB/JM for so quickly coming up with a countermeasure. Likely the Patriots themselves have employed similar especially against very predictive foes.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Nov 25, 2015

Guys...I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but let's just say we had some protection problems.

aluminum seats · Nov 25, 2015

Froob said:
Should have named it "GOODELL SCUMBAG SCUMBAG HEY SCUMBAG."

That's funny. Great idea, really--it's a setting where Brady can say whatever he wants.

But anyway, the bigger point here, apart from the Bills maybe picking up on some of the Pats' calls--which I'm sure happens at times--is that any defensive coordinator with a brain is not going to blitz Brady, as that has a multi-year history of not working well. You put a ton of guys into coverage and dare any of the receivers to get open quick. That's what makes any loss of Amendola sting and makes it essential for Lafell, Chandler, White etc. to step up.

turkeyneck · Nov 25, 2015

Rex pick up some tapes from Miami craigslist?

Froob · Nov 25, 2015

turkeyneck said:
Rex pick up some tapes from Miami craigslist?

"Hey, that's just football."
-John Clayton

shmessy · Nov 25, 2015

1960Pats said:
This came up briefly somewhere else here, maybe in the post game thread. The Bills were right much too often and were getting free shots at Brady all game long.

Which makes his performance Monday night one of his greatest ever.

No Edelman, no Lewis, no Dobson and no Amendola (for the last 1.5 quarters).

He was getting pasted into the turf time and again. Now, this information about the Buffalo D knowing the protection calls, combined with what Gilmore said after the game about their secondary already knowing the exact routes the Pats WRs were running, truly make Brady's performance one for the ages for me.

What he did in those circumstances won't be noticed or appreciated by the Fantasy Statboys here and across the country, but it may well have been one of his most impressive accomplishments.

upstater1 · Nov 25, 2015

Oswlek said:
I don't think so. The line was fine all year until guys started dropping off. Now they get two tackles back and suddenly lack continuity becomes a problem?

Earlier in the season, Cannon was at RT and Vollmer at LT, so in that sense this was the first time they had that particular alignment.

Danger Zone · Nov 25, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Brady was pissed at his OL all game, and he openly stated that the problem was execution, which was essentially throwing that OL under the bus. I doubt that translates to "I'm angry with the Bills for knowing our protection scheme".

Never have known Brady to throw anyone under the bus. Especially his teammates.

Not even in translation.

zipster9 · Nov 25, 2015

When you watch Brady and as he makes adjustments on the line, you always hear this:

"opponents # is the mike".

for example: "99 is the mike" Bills Darius.

What does this mean?

shmessy · Nov 25, 2015

PrairiePat said:
Sounds like the Bills did their homework on the Pats' line calls. That explains why the protection seemed so awful. Time to step up the level of disguise on those calls I guess.

Yup. McDaniels/Googe/Brady have some work to do on that.

Marinlik · Nov 25, 2015

upstater1 said:
Earlier in the season, Cannon was at RT and Vollmer at LT, so in that sense this was the first time they had that particular alignment.

I'm pretty sure that when Solder went down Cannon came in as LT and Vollmer staid at RT. It wasn't until Cannon himself got injured that Vollmer moved to LT.

shmessy · Nov 25, 2015

zipster9 said:
When you watch Brady and as he makes adjustments on the line, you always hear this:

"opponents # is the mike".

for example: "99 is the mike" Bills Darius.

What does this mean?

Linebacker (or maybe even a safety) to watch out for. He's telling the OL and the RBs to be aware of who might be coming up the middle, or one of the interior gaps on a blitz and to guard against that (OL for protection, RB also, but also for whether to release for a screen against that guy leaving his gap)

So the example of "99 is the mike" for a down lineman like Darius would probably never occur.

That's a great question Zipster and a very important factor in today's game with the TV sound picking up on it so much.

Oswlek · Nov 25, 2015

upstater1 said:
Earlier in the season, Cannon was at RT and Vollmer at LT, so in that sense this was the first time they had that particular alignment.

I'm pretty sure that Cannon at LT with Vollmer at RT was one of the rotations early one and I'm certain that Cannon was the LT for a his few snaps before getting hurt at Indy.

Ross12 · Nov 25, 2015

"The blueprint on how to beat the Pats" - but only if almost all of their weapons are injured and out of the game, the offensive line is in flux, you have an amazing defense capable of disguising its intentions regularly, oh and also you will still lose by 7 points.

bbobbo · Nov 25, 2015

Krepoort said:
I thought it was the 1st drive, if not the very 1st play.

3rd play of the 1st drive:

Galeb · Nov 25, 2015

everlong said:
The way I interpret it is that when Brady calls out 53 is the Mike it sets a certain protection and blocking scheme. The defense has to have some idea how the offensive line is going to adapt based on this due to film study coupled with the broadcast audio. So what if the defense is predicated upon Brady's calls? If Brady calls 53 is the Mike the defense switches from one scheme but if 55 is called another. Later in the game I heard Brady say 53 and 55 are the Mike and another time I thought I heard him say 53 is the Mike and 55 is the Will. I couldn't remember Brady doing this in the past and I had wondered during the game if they picked up on Buffalo shifting upon their line calls and this was how they dealt with it on the fly.

First off if true credit Rex for coming up with it. I had actually wondered if teams did this for a long time and if not why the hell hadn't somebody thought of it. Second if the Pats picked up on it that fast it probably did mean somebody has tried this in the past but if not that just lends to the legend of TB/BB/JM for so quickly coming up with a countermeasure. Likely the Patriots themselves have employed similar especially against very predictive foes.

Not exactly. There are multiple protection schemes, and the defined "Mike" dictates who blocks who in that particular scheme.

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