Any balls measured for psi in last night's cold weather?

I am sure the NFL* in its pursuit of integrity did this and did not bother to disclose their findings.

But wonder if anyone - at the game or otherwise - attempted this last eve and document how much the psi changed as the weather went down.

I thought some of the media outlets would have certainly tried this but am yet to read about it anywhere. Puzzled because this is an easy - and interesting - way to attract public attention.

Thanks,

I don't care. But I did see an idiot on another board say "See! The temperatures drop and Brady now cannot complete passes now that they aren't deflating footballs. And people say deflating footballs didnt give him an advantage.". Apparently eight months of Ideal Gas Law discussions really didn't sink into that moron.

It's really not necessary to do the experiment. The IGL is the IGL. It's not a theory like the NFL thinks it is. I would be curious to see the results during a game when it is raining. The effects of that would be interesting to see. I suspect some of the balls would drop more than an additional 0.1 that Exponent found. I also suspect there will be some variability between the balls as some would be wetter than others which is exactly what happened during the AFC Championship game.

NashuaPats said:

It's really not necessary to do the experiment. The IGL is the IGL. It's not a theory like the NFL thinks it is. I would be curious to see the results during a game when it is raining. The effects of that would be interesting to see. I suspect some of the balls would drop more than an additional 0.1 that Exponent found. I also suspect there will be some variability between the balls as some would be wetter than others which is exactly what happened during the AFC Championship game.

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Experiments are indeed needed.

The Ideal Gas Law tells us what equilibrium pressures are. It does NOT tell us how quickly those equilibria are reached.

I thought that this season would be an excellent opportunity for the NFL to do a longitudinal study of the impact of game conditions and environment on the PSI of footballs... however the NFL chose not to do this, instead opting for random testing of balls with no publication of results...

The NFL does not want to know the truth, they are content with the falsities they have spread..

What's the PSI, Roger?

The only numbers any of us will ever see will be those which support the NFL position and contradict the IGL. Anyone who believes that league and its leadership will ever release data which tends to support Brady's/NE's position still has her/his baby teeth under the pillow.

Jackson 2 said:

The only numbers any of us will ever see will be those which support the NFL position and contradict the IGL. Anyone who believes that league and its leadership will ever release data which tends to support Brady's/NE's position still has her/his baby teeth under the pillow.

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This. Because if they discover that the Patriots really did nothing to the footballs then they will have admitted to taking a million dollars and two draft picks from them for absolutely no reason. And it also makes them look like utter fools.

So yeah, zero chance the league publishes numbers that contradict their little narrative.

Rob0729 said:

I don't care. But I did see an idiot on another board say "See! The temperatures drop and Brady now cannot complete passes now that they aren't deflating footballs. And people say deflating footballs didnt give him an advantage.". Apparently eight months of Ideal Gas Law discussions really didn't sink into that moron.

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And fail to acknowledge that there was a constant pass rush plus missing key players, offensive linemen, Lewis, Edelman then 'Dola & Dobson goin out. Nah that had nothing to do with Brady running a smooth offense. That's what happens when you give these Einsteins a keyboard, Stupidity at its best!

Doesn't line up with their narrative. Hurts their image as the all-knowing authority to the lamen, casual fan. They don't want to add any credibility to the evil cheating monster that they created. Potentially impacts 2nd Circuit's opinion but not sure...

That would have been the perfect scenario to measure a ball pre-game and leave it on the counter next to the announcers and at the end of the game remeasure it when it had been exposed to the elements with no human intervention....We all know why they didn't..They didn't want to upset the golden goose by using facts and science to destroy the NFL's argument.

Fencer said:

Experiments are indeed needed.

The Ideal Gas Law tells us what equilibrium pressures are. It does NOT tell us how quickly those equilibria are reached.

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Yes & No.
Yes the IGL does not describe how quickly equilibrium is reached.
But competent physicists and engineers in related fields can also calculate that as well. Not rocket science.
And finally, experiment done properly trumps calculations in real science w/o an agenda.
Falsifiability is the essence of science.

They called in Clyde Crashcup and Super Dave Osborne to do extensive tests on the balls before and after the game and concluded they did not change at all regardless of temperature and Brady is guilty.

Professor Irwin Corey will be announcing the results at half time of the Ravens Browns game next Monday, hoping that will boost their viewership into the double digits.

I think Joker said in another thread that there is a group that did the testing at the game, and he shared the results.

You guys still believe then NFL* will take measurements when the balls first get taken in from the field?

Hasn't the nfl already stated that they'll allow the balls to come back up to room temperature before measurements.

All the shoeples will embrace their data. It would best for Kraft to get out in front of this but he won't (more probable than not that was a true statement)

Jackson 2 said:

The only numbers any of us will ever see will be those which support the NFL position and contradict the IGL. Anyone who believes that league and its leadership will ever release data which tends to support Brady's/NE's position still has her/his baby teeth under the pillow.

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No question for us Patsfans about the selective disclosure of the NFL* of false information against us.

Which is why I thought this was an excellent opportunity for the fans (or some of the local unbiased media guys like Jeff or Mike or Eric Wilbur) to wrest that possibility from the NFL and publicly do this simple experiment.

This IMO is a simple way to prove the theory, and in the process, tear down the main portion of the house of cards that the NFL* built against TB.

Us fans can't blow it away, but can publicly show - especialy during cold weather games - the reality that the NFL* chose to ignore.

Excellent marketing opportunity IMO.

I really want to see the results in similar conditions, being just cold isnt enough

However, I have zero faith the NFL will conduct this publically, since they are still in court about this.

I stopped watching the WWE for the same non-sense

I suspect we won't see any results from such IGL experiments due to pending court case. The league would look silly to publish something that undermines it's case.

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Experiments are indeed needed.

The Ideal Gas Law tells us what equilibrium pressures are. It does NOT tell us how quickly those equilibria are reached.

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No, but thermodynamics tells us something. A football has a high surface area to mass ratio, meaning it doesn't take much for a ball to lose it's heat, and as the leather represents 99.9% of the mass of a football (one extra atmosphere of air doesn't weigh much), we can infer that a football that feels cold to the touch has more or less reached it's equilibrium. Leather is not a great conductor of heat, unless it's wet, so as Nashua Pats notes, some experimentation would be appropriate to get a clearer indication of time frames, but we can be certain that the pressure dropped to an equilibrium point by the end of the half. It's just a question of how quickly the balls warmed-up once brought back inside, but that would only affect how far toward a new equilibrium the Colt's balls returned relative to the Pats, which were measured immediately after coming inside for the half.

There is scientific evidence that debunks the Ideal Gas Law. After five hours outdoors at Gillette Stadium, Trent Dilfer's balls couldn't get any smaller. Disbarred ESPN Attorney Lester Munson replicated the findings with his own balls.