How Awful Was That Playcall By McDaniels/Brady on The Interception ?

fnordcircle said:

Sorry - why is McDaniels being mentioned here?

Unless the play involved only Harper's route and McDaniels was telling Brady 'i'm the ****ing OC you ****ing heave that **** to Harper in double coverage you little *****' then this isn't on McDaniels.

Brady wanted to put the dagger in their hearts and took a risk. I wasn't a fan of the choice but I think I get what he was trying to do.

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It was the classic "go for the kill shot at midfield come hell or high water" call. Some of that was on Brady, but if you look, there was no one to throw the ball to on the right and both Harper and Gronk went deep on the left. Brady should have just chucked it out of bounds, but it was still poor play design (if no one ran the wrong route) and a stupid call.

Hmmmm…awful to….quite awful?

Froob said:

Yeah how is McD getting bashed here? Do you think he drew it up for Brady to Favre it into like triple coverage?

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I wrote Brady/McDaniels. Not assuming who exactly had the brain fart. Could have been either or. The decision was awful given the game situation with personnel available, time, timeouts, etc

Bella*chick said:

Hmmmm…awful to….quite awful?

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Quite....

Oswlek said:

but it was still poor play design (if no one ran the wrong route) and a stupid call.

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And if they make it people are posting about how genius it was to free up Harper by using Gronk as an attention-drawing decoy.

Just didn't work out, but results-oriented breakdowns of playcalls will always summon my inner contrarian.

It looked to me like Harper tried to knock it away from the sure INT, and they got lucky on the knock away. Dumb throw though.
Hopefully Brady becomes more familiar with Harper and starts throwing him more than hailmary PI attempts!

fnordcircle said:

And if they make it people are posting about how genius it was to free up Harper by using Gronk as an attention-drawing decoy.

Just didn't work out, but results-oriented breakdowns of playcalls will always summon my inner contrarian.

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FWIW, I hated that play as it was developing. The only thing that could have made me hate it more is if Slater was the target.

When he launched it he had time/protection, beautiful mechanics, I was like "Oh there must be someone open by 5-10+ yards" then the camera panned toward the end zone....

Oswlek said:

FWIW, I hated that play as it was developing. The only thing that could have made me hate it more is if Slater was the target.

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That Slater play worked one time.

It's been absolutely terrible ever since (especially in the 2011 AFC Championship).

I hate it.

Oswlek said:

FWIW, I hated that play as it was developing. The only thing that could have made me hate it more is if Slater was the target.

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You Slater haters gonna answer to me @ Patsfanscon 2016.

shmessy said:

I wrote Brady/McDaniels. Not assuming who exactly had the brain fart. Could have been either or. The decision was awful given the game situation with personnel available, time, timeouts, etc

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Considering Brady had gone through his reads and did not have his feet set on that throw, I'm of the opinion that was an ill-advised, unthoughtful throw that Brady probably wants back and will receive some heat on, during film review.

fnordcircle said:

And if they make it people are posting about how genius it was to free up Harper by using Gronk as an attention-drawing decoy.

Just didn't work out, but results-oriented breakdowns of playcalls will always summon my inner contrarian.

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It wasn't merely a "results oriented" breakdown.

Anyoone with half a working mind was shouting "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" at that play as it was occurring.

The Patriots had only 2 WR's.

Brady threw long in double coverage to the one who stands 5'10"

Maybe 10% chance of a long gain
70% chance of an incomplete (and stops the clock)
20% of an interception

Do you understand what the SITUATION was in the game? The Patriots offense was completely decimated at that point by injury. There was 13:38 left in the game. It was important to use up as much clock as possible (Buffalo had only one timeout left at the time).

Our defense holding off the Bills Offense (who were 95% healthy - - save for their Guard who left earlier) was going to have to be the only way to win that game. The Pats offense was in white flag mode already. The Pats had 1st and 10 on the Bills 45.

Would you say Belichick would have been incredibly stupid if he called for a PUNT on the 1st down play at that moment?

When someone criticizes a driver for blasting through a red light and crashing into another car, that is also a "results-oriented" critique. It is also critique-able while it is happening.

Every time the Patriots go deep late in close games, this nonsense gets brought up.

I tell you, this game was just like that Playoff game where Brady decided to throw a deep ball to Slater. I shook my head for over 5mins if I remember correctly. The difference is that we now have a good defense to withstand such WTF moments.

primetime said:

Brady deserves the lion's share of the blame for a terrible decision, but they had been successful running the ball and mostly unsuccessful passing the ball, and then lined up 5 wide with two healthy receivers on 1st and 10 from midfield.

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So football logic, by that explanation, would be to throw it up at least once. That's what football is about...deception. You have to mix it up and more importantly stick to the game plan. If you've been running well and the defence moves up you throw....for all we know that's exactly what was seen and exactly why the play was called.

Brady was a dumbass for throwing it up there. He hasn't got Randy Moss anymore!

shmessy said:

It wasn't merely a "results oriented" breakdown.

Anyoone with half a working mind was shouting "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" at that play as it was occurring.

The Patriots had only 2 WR's.

Brady threw long in double coverage to the one who stands 5'10"

Maybe 10% chance of a long gain
70% chance of an incomplete (and stops the clock)
20% of an interception

Do you understand what the SITUATION was in the game? The Patriots offense was completely decimated at that point by injury. There was 13:38 left in the game. It was important to use up as much clock as possible (Buffalo had only one timeout left at the time).

Our defense holding off the Bills Offense (who were 95% healthy - - save for their Guard who left earlier) was going to have to be the only way to win that game. The Pats offense was in white flag mode already. The Pats had 1st and 10 on the Bills 45.

Would you say Belichick would have been incredibly stupid if he called for a PUNT on the 1st down play at that moment?

When someone criticizes a driver for blasting through a red light and crashing into another car, that is also a "results-oriented" critique. It is also critique-able while it is happening.

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Yep. Awful. Brady is great, not perfect.

Deus Irae said:

Every time the Patriots go deep late in close games, this nonsense gets brought up.

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Yes.

When it is 20-10 and the offense has been decimated by injuries. When Brady throws a punt up for grabs from the other teams' 45 on 1st and 10 with 13;38 left to go inthe game to a 5'10 WR in triple coverage.

Situations. It's sort of a mantra with Belichick.

vuudu said:

I tell you, this game was just like that Playoff game where Brady decided to throw a deep ball to Slater. I shook my head for over 5mins if I remember correctly. The difference is that we now have a good defense to withstand such WTF moments.

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He loves to heave it up to untested smurfs in triple coverage. I'm fine if he wants to do that in the 1st quarter to loosen up an opposing defense and stretch the field, but in THAT situation last night with the clock,etc. it was just a crazy.

shmessy said:

It wasn't merely a "results oriented" breakdown.

Anyoone with half a working mind was shouting "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" at that play as it was occurring.

The Patriots had only 2 WR's.

Brady threw long in double coverage to the one who stands 5'10"

Maybe 10% chance of a long gain
70% chance of an incomplete (and stops the clock)
20% of an interception

Do you understand what the SITUATION was in the game? The Patriots offense was completely decimated at that point by injury. There was 13:38 left in the game. It was important to use up as much clock as possible (Buffalo had only one timeout left at the time).

Our defense holding off the Bills Offense (who were 95% healthy - - save for their Guard who left earlier) was going to have to be the only way to win that game. The Pats offense was in white flag mode already. The Pats had 1st and 10 on the Bills 45.

Would you say Belichick would have been incredibly stupid if he called for a PUNT on the 1st down play at that moment?

When someone criticizes a driver for blasting through a red light and crashing into another car, that is also a "results-oriented" critique. It is also critique-able while it is happening.

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That's a lot of caps but no example of how it's McDaniels' fault which is the only thing I'm questioning.

That INT was on Brady. If the play isn't there don't force it - like he did multiple times last night.

That play ended the scoring quarters sequence! 1 more first down and there was a good chance of a field goal.

Terrible decision by Brady.

There was a couple of times Brady threw it into the dirt when lafell was within 5 yards of him for a short completion and the interception was maybe when he should have thrown it away!