Bills Post Game Thread

XLIX said:

Sorry, but I'll accept the rules interpretation of the former VP of Officiating.

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Mike Pereira is wrong.

Deus Irae said:

Also, I don't know if it's a case of teams figuring Chung out, or the Patriots having to ask too much of Chung, but that's become an area of major concern in the past couple of weeks. I'm hoping it's a matter of Collins being out + CB3 issues, and that it can be brought back into order.

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It looked to me like Chung was being asked to play out of position as a nickle corner. Not a happy situation.

XLIX said:

Mike Perieira agrees with me: They should have stopped the clock on that final play.

Guess I really do know the rules after all, huh?

Mike PereiraVerified account‏@MikePereira 52m52 minutes ago

Not that it really makes a difference, but the clock should have stopped on that last play. He went out untouched.

1. Jim McIntosh ‏@JJMcIntosh 51m51 minutes ago
2. @MikePereira yes but isn't it the rule that if you go backwards out of bounds you wind the clock?
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   Mike Pereira‏@MikePereira 49m49 minutes ago
   @JJMcIntosh >>Makes no difference if you are not touched

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No, you don't know the rules. The fact that you are still trying to justify yourself is laughable. . Pereira is wrong and Patchick posted the relevant rule to prove you both don't know what you are talking about.

BTW, Pereira was the one who ruled that Hobbs committed Pass Interference on Reggie Wayne because Hobbs face-guarded. The problem is that face-guarding had been taken out of the rules years prior. So relying on Pereira for for justification only makes you look silly.

Deus Irae said:

Cannon has been out for a while. It's not surprising he struggled.
Vollmer was obviously not back to 100%, so it's not surprising he struggled.
What I'd like an explanation for is what was going on in the middle of the O-line.

Also, I don't know if it's a case of teams figuring Chung out, or the Patriots having to ask too much of Chung, but that's become an area of major concern in the past couple of weeks. I'm hoping it's a matter of Collins being out + CB3 issues, and that it can be brought back into order.

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All I know about the interior is that I'll be happy when Jackson's back. Right now the only guess I can really make is that it's a continuity thing: hard to get comfortable when you have guys rotating all over the place on every drive. I think Stork's still settling in, but moving him back to center was going to happen at some point as the rest of the line got healthier. Stork and Jackson played together at FSU, so I'm hopeful that the chemistry will be there right away.

F*ck those refs! The refs called a ******ed game. F*ck them I'm pissed!

Glad we came out with the win though.

Deus Irae said:

Also, I don't know if it's a case of teams figuring Chung out, or the Patriots having to ask too much of Chung, but that's become an area of major concern in the past couple of weeks. I'm hoping it's a matter of Collins being out + CB3 issues, and that it can be brought back into order.

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Not sure how you can claim that Chung has become a major area of concern considering he was playing out of position tonight by having to cover Hogan on some plays. And the one play was simply an amazing catch by Hogan.

DaBruinz said:

No, you don't know the rules. The fact that you are still trying to justify yourself is laughable. . Pereira is wrong and Patchick posted the relevant rule to prove you both don't know what you are talking about.

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He wasn't surrendering himself. The fact that he fell down does not mean he was surrendering himself.

Seriously, dude. Just admit you made an honest mistake. There's no shame in that. Not only do I know I'm right, but I have a former Director of Officiating agreeing with me. You're just digging yourself even deeper and will look even foolish when more official come out tomorrow and agree with my (and Mike Pereira's) interpretation.

Watkins clearly wasn't even down until his butt landed on the sidelines. Patchick's rule has no application here.

DaBruinz said:

The officiating was horrendous tonight and it wasn't just the inadvertent whistle, which was Rex Ryan's fault and not the official.

Graham hit Brady on from behind on the Rambo run back of the interception. Yes, offsetting penalties were called, but Graham was just one of the people targeting Brady. That sort of hit should get Graham a fine. Graham also went low at Brady's knees on another play.

The refs missed a huge false start on Cordy Glenn in the first half during the drive for the field goal. They also missed Hughes lined up in the neutral zone at least twice.

What I found ridiculous was the calls that Cannon and the Bills RT weren't on the LOS. Reviewing the play showed them.both where they were supposed to be.

The spots were off a few times as well.

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While I understand the Refs let OL get away with a lot of holding these days, I believe (unless I missed it) this is at minimum the second game in a row where the opposition front OL blockers were not been called for holding.
Ok, fine. Let 'em play. But when I see the Patriots getting flagged on a critical play for the type of holding that is happening so frequently (two games in a row)?? That kind of selective officiating pisses me off....

Anyone else think if Flacco threw th3 pass to lafell after the "whistle play," it would have been DPI? Defender with his hands all over lafell, who was coming back for a ball the defender didn't turn his head for and ran lafell over in the process. Methinks a non call for the bs coaches interference 15yd call on the whistle play.

NONE OF THESE REFS (maybe Sterratore, or however the hell you spell his name) DESERVE A JOB NEXT YEAR. I'm sure Sterratore told the morons that "we rule that a td, you dipshits said no td because you just cost the home team 7. If we're wrong, replay will show it. I dunno about you idiots, but I want a playoff check. STFU and listen up."

That was after he told them "If you want to get out of here alive, you blew the ****ing whistle on Rex." Problem is they were to butt hurt about putting it on Rex that the league wide DPI call for coming back to the ball was the make up for 30 yds/a td they took off the board but called on Rex....


Literally the worst officiated game I've ever seen.

Most importantly:

Hey Commish, what were the psi of the balls at the half?

ESPN's officiating expert agrees with me (and Mike Pereira). So I suppose that's 2 former NFL officials who are both wrong?

I got 2 rules experts and former NFL refs supporting me. And those opposed have....?


Jim Daopoulos ‏@RefereeJimD 1h1 hour ago

In that situation the clock must be stopped and that is an officiating mistake......


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XLIX said:

Watkins clearly wasn't even down until his butt landed on the sidelines. Patchick's rule has no application here.

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This angle does not show his butt certainly hitting out of bounds. The video shoes it hitting near the out of bounds - maybe in when it first hits, maybe not.

XLIX said:

He wasn't surrendering himself. The fact that he fell down does not mean he was surrendering himself.

Seriously, dude. Just admit you made an honest mistake. There's no shame in that. Not only do I know I'm right, but I have a former Director of Officiating agreeing with me. You're just digging yourself even deeper and will look even foolish when more official come out tomorrow and agree with my (and Mike Pereira's) interpretation.

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The only one who needs to admit anything is you. You are the one who is wrong. Read the rule..

patchick said:

Rule 7 Section 4 Article 1 e: An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended...when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance"

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What part of "making no effort to advance" is beyond your comprehension? Sliding on your butt, sideways, is not making an effort to advance.

The only one looking foolish is you. Plain and simple.

Mike Pereira is WRONG and so are you. Just deal with it and go back to whatever troll hole you came from..

XLIX said:

ESPN's officiating expert agrees with me (and Mike Pereira). So I suppose that's 2 former NFL officials who are both wrong?

I got 2 rules experts and former NFL refs supporting me. And those opposed have....?


Jim Daopoulos ‏@RefereeJimD 1h1 hour ago

In that situation the clock must be stopped and that is an officiating mistake......


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You twits are ignoring the rules.

Rule 7 Section 4 Article 1 e: An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended...when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance"

TheBostonStraggler said:

This angle does not show his butt certainly hitting out of bounds. The video shoes it hitting near the out of bounds - maybe in when it first hits, maybe not.

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Exactly. And since he was not touched, he gets the "roll out of bounds."

The dude obviously was not surrendering himself. That cannot even remotely be debated. He was falling down sideways. Therefore the play is not over until he is touched by a Patriots or goes out of bounds.

Sparetire said:

Unfortunatley I haven't seen the game...can anyone explain what happened on the brady-amendola pass that was whislted? I didn't get what really went on there.

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Inadvertent whistle probably cost the Patriots a TD.

DaBruinz said:

You twits are ignoring the rules.

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Yup. Uh huh. Sure thing. Mike Pereira disagrees with you. Jim Daoupolous disagrees with you.

But you're right, and those 2 former NFL officials (one a ref, the other VP of Officiating) don't know what they're talking about.

DaBruinz said:

You twits are ignoring the rules.

Rule 7 Section 4 Article 1 e: An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended...when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance"

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He didn't kneel, so this rule only applies if he declared himself down by falling to the ground. We've all seen that done, and this pretty clearly wasn't it.

The clock should've stopped at :02. The Bills got a tough break there. It's fine for us to acknowledge that, although my sympathy is limited given that the refs took 7 points off the board earlier.

XLIX said:

Watkins clearly wasn't even down until his butt landed on the sidelines. Patchick's rule has no application here.

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Yes, post a poor angle so you can't see where he actually hits and thump your chest as if you are correct..

Sideline angle showed his butt IN BOUNDS first..

XLIX said:

Yup. Uh huh. Sure thing. Mike Pereira disagrees with you. Jim Daoupolous disagrees with you.

But you're right, and those 2 former NFL officials (one a ref, the other VP of Officiating) don't know what they're talking about.

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Mike Pereira, who has gotten many calls wrong (of which I provided one)? Yeah. OK..
Dude, get over yourself.