Official Game thread: Patriots-Bills 11/23

Bring randy Moss back. Kick the tires

XLIX said:

Giving yourself up is when you take a knee or slide or otherwise stay on the ground with the desire to end the play. It has nothing to do with being on the ground or not attempting to advance the ball.

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OK, you've lost me here. How can taking a knee "have nothing to do with being on the ground or not attempting to advance the ball"? It seems to me that that's pretty much 100% of what it has to do with.

There's nothing magical about knees. As far as I know a KR in the endzone could accept a touchback by falling flat on his back, if he really wanted to.

ashley1992 said:

That was as ugly of a game that you will see...but we're still 10-0 and a two game lead for best record in the AFC and I'll take it

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This game was similar to the second game against the Jets in 07. Very ugly win. The only difference were the elements.

XLIX said:

I know the rules in this case, which is apparently better than you. The player was not touched and should have been permitted to be out of bounds.
I am not talking about that play. I am talking about the final play of the game.

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No, you clearly don't know the rules and you disagreed with my saying that the butt slide would never have happened. So, please just stop since you can't even follow the thread properly

TBR said:

Incompetence at its finest

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he lost track because rex blocked his view..can't believe no one has picked up om this in the media

A lot of people seem to have differing opinions on that final play where Sammy baked out of bounds and they ran the final two seconds off. I thought I remember seeing in another game this weekend (may have been college ball) that same kind of play, and ruled the same way. The way it was described then was that because he was moving back towards the line of scrimmage as he was going out of bounds, it counts as forward progress being stopped in bounds. That's definitely not the correct wording, but it was along those lines.

XLIX said:

Giving yourself up is when you take a knee or slide or otherwise stay on the ground with the desire to end the play. It has nothing to do with being on the ground or not attempting to advance the ball.

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Perhaps the actual NFL rule book will help:

Rule 7 Section 4 Article 1 e: An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended...when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance"

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