The" Eye in the Sky": Fraudulent Concussion Protocol

nabwong said:

Who are the spotters? Geno and Foles? That would explain a lot.

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Another image from the sideline yesterday puts more light on that:

shmessy said:

Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet
The league will look into the situation surrounding #Rams QB Case Keenum, his concussion, and why wasn't tested for a concussion, I'm told.

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The league is going to "look into the situation." I don't know about everyone else, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief.

The NFL put a system in place during the offseason to address these situations. The end of the Rams-Ravens game was a pretty obvious time to employ it, but that opportunity was completely botched. I know Rapoport is an NFL employee, but the league should be approaching this with a lot more vigor than just "looking into it." This should warrant a "People will be fired/We're going to have to publicly acknowledge this screw-up and assure people that the system can and will work" type of response.

Which means nothing will happen and this story will quietly go away.

I would rather have fewer forced pullouts than too many. We already have another thread about abusing this new safety precaution to rig games, and I agree with that thread more than this thread.

Fitzpatrick looked fine to me, saying his OL had to keep him from falling over is a bit of exaggeration. Fitz got up of his own will, then his OL tapped him on the butt and lightly put his arms around him before they went back to the huddle. It was a vicious hit: Fitzpatrick takes a lot of chances on those dives and he got hemet-helmet contact. Definitely go through the protocols on the sideline, but you don't need to take him off the field against his will.

memento said:

I would rather have fewer forced pullouts than too many. We already have another thread about abusing this new safety precaution to rig games, and I agree with that thread more than this thread.

Fitzpatrick looked fine to me, saying his OL had to keep him from falling over is a bit of exaggeration. Fitz got up of his own will, then his OL tapped him on the butt and lightly put his arms around him before they went back to the huddle. It was a vicious hit: Fitzpatrick takes a lot of chances on those dives and he got hemet-helmet contact. Definitely go through the protocols on the sideline, but you don't need to take him off the field against his will.

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Ryan Fitzpatrick Took a Nasty Shot to the Head on this Touchdown Run

So, ummm....how quickly did you type that on your Braille keyboard?

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busy setting their line up for the next game ! dang the fantasy foosball....

shmessy said:

Ryan Fitzpatrick Took a Nasty Shot to the Head on this Touchdown Run

So, ummm....how quickly did you type that on your Braille keyboard?

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shmessy said:

And here is footage of Fitzpatrick's from the biglead.com. Dbrickashaw Ferguson almost carries him over to the ref so that he can flip him the ball.:

Ryan Fitzpatrick Took a Nasty Shot to the Head on this Touchdown Run

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After seeing a few plays like this one, it really seems like players are learning that if a guy stays down he's going in for evaluation... so the solution is to get up and do everything in your power to stay up no matter what. And this includes teammates pretty much propping up a guy who can barely stand. Probably not the takeaway that anyone intent on solving the issue was hoping for.

BradyFTW! said:

After seeing a few plays like this one, it really seems like players are learning that if a guy stays down he's going in for evaluation... so the solution is to get up and do everything in your power to stay up no matter what. And this includes teammates pretty much propping up a guy who can barely stand. Probably not the takeaway that anyone intent on solving the issue was hoping for.

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Agreed. But how in the world did THAT fool anyone.

They actually say they 'performed the protocol" on the sideline, but anyone could tell that dude was on Planet Xenon.

Ivan said:

If Fitzpatrick isn't pulled then they shouldn't pull anyone.

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Who really has the control with this on the field concussion protocol assessment deal.. I mean if they are really serious about it, and they are basing it on.. what, someone's VISUAL assessment of the play/hit? Do they do the concussion protocol right away to see if he can play, and let him back in if OK?

Reason I am asking like this, is if this really is important to them, they have to do it in the playoffs..... and Super Bowl. What if Cam Newton gets his bell rung in a certain way but is ok but goes into this new "procedure" during the Super Bowl or something?

Maybe I don't understand it enough to criticize it but I find myself a bit critical of the recent attempt to make it all safer. Its been football for over 100 years. The thing is there are other injuries that threaten lives and loss of limb use that are also horrible.. (That kid on Seattle Special teams he was luck though, can't remember his name. He dropped apparently lifeless upon being hit. That was scary.) They don't really change the game enough to prevent injury. I know the special emphasis on the concussions, but the reading I have done about the problem leads me to think that long term they are going to screwed over concussions. Not enough people are going to play football in the future, and if it takes 2 or 3 concussions to end a career, well there will be alot of ended careers. I'm not saying its not the right thing, but I am self reflective about the whole thing. I have never played football but have loved it my whole life. I would never have let my sons play this game. Anyway that was non-sensical rant.

shmessy said:

Ryan Fitzpatrick Took a Nasty Shot to the Head on this Touchdown Run

So, ummm....how quickly did you type that on your Braille keyboard?

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That's the first time I saw this….I didn't see the Jets game yesterday. Wow. Just wow. He gets up looking completely out of it.

Bella*chick said:

That's the first time I saw this….I didn't see the Jets game yesterday. Wow. Just wow. He gets up looking completely out of it.

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Maybe it's the beard, but he looks like a time traveler who's shocked to emerge in year 2015.

I would be shocked if neither guy suffered symptoms of a concussion. Fitzpatrick especially. He looked like he got the Sonic rings knocked out of him.

Imagine the uproar if an opposing player gets pulled from a Superbowl game vs the Pats.

"What's up with that? We all know that Edelman was concussed last year but got to stay in the game and score the winning TD, but now an opposing player gets pulled?"

Queue the standard hater rants......

mosslost said:

Who really has the control with this on the field concussion protocol assessment deal.. I mean if they are really serious about it, and they are basing it on.. what, someone's VISUAL assessment of the play/hit? Do they do the concussion protocol right away to see if he can play, and let him back in if OK?

Reason I am asking like this, is if this really is important to them, they have to do it in the playoffs..... and Super Bowl. What if Cam Newton gets his bell rung in a certain way but is ok but goes into this new "procedure" during the Super Bowl or something?

Maybe I don't understand it enough to criticize it but I find myself a bit critical of the recent attempt to make it all safer. Its been football for over 100 years. The thing is there are other injuries that threaten lives and loss of limb use that are also horrible.. (That kid on Seattle Special teams he was luck though, can't remember his name. He dropped apparently lifeless upon being hit. That was scary.) They don't really change the game enough to prevent injury. I know the special emphasis on the concussions, but the reading I have done about the problem leads me to think that long term they are going to screwed over concussions. Not enough people are going to play football in the future, and if it takes 2 or 3 concussions to end a career, well there will be alot of ended careers. I'm not saying its not the right thing, but I am self reflective about the whole thing. I have never played football but have loved it my whole life. I would never have let my sons play this game. Anyway that was non-sensical rant.

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The whole protocol makes a lot more sense if you figure that this is almost entirely about league PR and protecting themselves against future lawsuits. It's all theater, just something that the NFL can point to and say "we're proactive about this stuff!". They don't actually care if it's uniformly enforced, effective, or anything like that.

Koma said:

The league is going to "look into the situation." I don't know about everyone else, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief.

The NFL put a system in place during the offseason to address these situations. The end of the Rams-Ravens game was a pretty obvious time to employ it, but that opportunity was completely botched. I know Rapoport is an NFL employee, but the league should be approaching this with a lot more vigor than just "looking into it." This should warrant a "People will be fired/We're going to have to publicly acknowledge this screw-up and assure people that the system can and will work" type of response.

Which means nothing will happen and this story will quietly go away.

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I figured it was a case of 'eh, it won't hurt the Pats so **** it.'

Koma said:

The league is going to "look into the situation." I don't know about everyone else, but I'm breathing a sigh of relief.

The NFL put a system in place during the offseason to address these situations. The end of the Rams-Ravens game was a pretty obvious time to employ it, but that opportunity was completely botched. I know Rapoport is an NFL employee, but the league should be approaching this with a lot more vigor than just "looking into it." This should warrant a "People will be fired/We're going to have to publicly acknowledge this screw-up and assure people that the system can and will work" type of response.

Which means nothing will happen and this story will quietly go away.

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It's not like the league actually cares. For about 20 years they had a group investigating the effects of concussions and head injuries. The person in charge of that group was a guy that from the start didn't believe that concussions had any negative effects long term. For a very long time all the NFL did was try to discredit doctors that said that CTE existed in former players. It wasn't until the NFL was in court, and was told that they sounded like big tobacco with them denying that concussions had bad effects that they started saying "hey, maybe concussions is a bad thing"

BradyFTW! said:

The whole protocol makes a lot more sense if you figure that this is almost entirely about league PR and protecting themselves against future lawsuits. It's all theater, just something that the NFL can point to and say "we're proactive about this stuff!". They don't actually care if it's uniformly enforced, effective, or anything like that.

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Isn't it worse that they have a system in place and aren't adhering to their own rules? A player could sue them saying "the system's job is to take the decision out of the hands of the player. You pay a spotter and I immediately reach to my head in pain and you leave me in?"

It was so obvious on both players there should have been no doubt. Even the refs were right there. Kinda like QBR- doesn't pass the eye test.

Jets coach Todd said right after the game that he was uncertain who would be the QB next week. I think that he too was a bit staggered by that blow to Ryan and could not envision the guy, under any circumstances, being his starter next week.

shmessy said:

And here is footage of Fitzpatrick's from the biglead.com. Dbrickashaw Ferguson almost carries him over to the ref so that he can flip him the ball.:

Ryan Fitzpatrick Took a Nasty Shot to the Head on this Touchdown Run

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Holy Crap!! He was out on his feet!

Kjmass1 said:

Isn't it worse that they have a system in place and aren't adhering to their own rules?

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Because...integrity!