Reiss: Stomach bug ended Rufus Johnson's season

reflexblue said:

MRSA is a staph infection. The people that usually infected are in the hospital and have undergone surgery. MRSA is not communicable unless you have a break in your skin, or it comes in contact with a mucus membrane ie lipps eyes etc. it is not an air borne pathogen. So its very highly un-likely that these guys have spread MRSA amongst them selves. it spreads through physical contact.

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Again, I am not claiming it is MRSA. I am saying people in the know say it isn't it.

And if any of the equipment they used to treat players is contaminated, it can spread through a team. The fear is when someone on a team gets MRSA is that it could spread because he might have gotten it getting treatment in the treatment room. If someone from the Patriots got MRSA, it could be very possible that other players get depending on how he got it.

All I am saying it is probably something worse than they are letting on. There are a lot of things between the flu and MRSA.

Rob0729 said:

Again, I am not claiming it is MRSA. I am saying people in the know say it isn't it.

And if any of the equipment they used to treat players is contaminated, it can spread through a team. The fear is when someone on a team gets MRSA is that it could spread because he might have gotten it getting treatment in the treatment room. If someone from the Patriots got MRSA, it could be very possible that other players get depending on how he got it.

All I am saying it is probably something worse than they are letting on. There are a lot of things between the flu and MRSA.

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Your saying your not claiming that its mrsa at least directly, but then you go from that to describing how you think it could be contracted.
It Cannot spread through a team unless they All had wounds or breaks in the skin and came in contact with it. The trainers are not going to let someone bleed all over a table. they don't treat wounds in the training room they give rub downs, massages, replace ace bandages and splints.

ctpatsfan77 said:

I think you are conflating things here. MRSA is transmitted by contact with the pathogen. It can be skin to skin or object to skin. That's why the disinfection protocols are so extensive when there's a case of MRSA.

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I'm not conflating anything, you have to have a break in the skin, it doesn't pass through someones skin unless the skin is compromised. I know i use to be an RN and worked in hospitals for close to twenty years,most of the time in the O.R. Ive had to suit up for MRSA, TB, Hiv Etc. hundreds of times.

Mack Herron said:

Sounds like Collins has the same odd ailment.

Patriots' defense takes multiple hits personnel-wise with lingering illness

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They likely view Johnson as a project and figured they could open up a roster spot for a player who would contribute now by moving him to IR. If he was a key player I doubt he would have went on IR.

Collins will probably be a few more weeks as he needs to regain the weight and strength he lost.

reflexblue said:

MRSA is a staph infection. The people that usually infected are in the hospital and have undergone surgery. MRSA is not communicable unless you have a break in your skin, or it comes in contact with a mucus membrane ie lipps eyes etc. it is not an air borne pathogen. So its very highly un-likely that these guys have spread MRSA amongst them selves. it spreads through physical contact.

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There are plenty of cases of MRSA (staph in general, actually) spreading through sports teams in contact sports like football and wrestling. It's not unlikely for teammates to spread it between them at all. It's not like you need gaping wounds. An scrape or abrasion is quite sufficient for a staph infection to take hold. High school wrestlers have gotten staph infections (including MRSA) from wrestling mats, for example.

It's not like MRSA is worse than "regular" staph in terms of what it does to you. "Regular" staph can do everything to you that MRSA can. It's that "regular" staph is easily knocked out with antibiotics and MRSA isn't.

Rob0729 said:

I know they are claiming that it isn't staph or MRSA spreading through the Patriots' locker room, but it definitely more than a simple stomach bug.

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I agree with this. I just find it hard to believe a professional sports team worth over $2 Billion would let just a stomach bug cripple a team.

Not saying its MRSA or anything like that, but its def just not a stomach bug.

reflexblue said:

Your saying your not claiming that its mrsa at least directly, but then you go from that to describing how you think it could be contracted.
It Cannot spread through a team unless they All had wounds or breaks in the skin and came in contact with it. The trainers are not going to let someone bleed all over a table. they don't treat wounds in the training room they give rub downs, massages, replace ace bandages and splints.

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First, I am taking everyone on their word about MRSA. Every reporter claims they do not know what is going through the locker room, but it is definitely not MRSA. I will accept that.

Second, if a piece of equipment the training room is infected with MRSA, it can spread it to other pieces of equipment. The MRSA virus can be transmitted from object to object very easily and eventually it can get to things that go inside someone's body. Everything in a treatment room can get cross contaminated.

If say there is MRSA on a treatment table and a doctor touches it and then touches a first aid kit without sterilizing again or changing gloves, it can pass MRSA to everything on that kit which then can affect multiple players. When a team discovers one of their players have MRSA, they pretty much sterilize everything because of fear of cross contamination.

QuantumMechanic said:

There are plenty of cases of MRSA (staph in general, actually) spreading through sports teams in contact sports like football and wrestling. It's not unlikely for teammates to spread it between them at all. It's not like you need gaping wounds. An scrape or abrasion is quite sufficient for a staph infection to take hold. High school wrestlers have gotten staph infections (including MRSA) from wrestling mats, for example.

It's not like MRSA is worse than "regular" staph in terms of what it does to you. "Regular" staph can do everything to you that MRSA can. It's that "regular" staph is easily knocked out with antibiotics and MRSA isn't.

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Yeah, just because MRSA and staph need to contracted internally through an open wound or cut or something like that doesn't mean it doesn't spread pretty easily in terms of contaminating objects. If MRSA or staff touches an object, it is likely to contaminate that object and when another object touches that newly contaminated object, that object too will likely to get contaminated.

reflexblue said:

Sounds possible, but these guys Johnson, Collins, and probably Wendell are all Young very healthy individuals. Noro is usually found on cruise ships

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And day cares and schools and...

Noro respects no one. And you can be healthy as anything and that's not going to stop you from getting it if your sufficiently exposed.

reflexblue said:

I'm not conflating anything, you have to have a break in the skin, it doesn't pass through someones skin unless the skin is compromised. I know i use to be an RN and worked in hospitals for close to twenty years,most of the time in the O.R. Ive had to suit up for MRSA, TB, Hiv Etc. hundreds of times.

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To cause the "oh, bleep" infections we think of, you're right. My point is that you can get MRSA on your skin and then pass it on to someone else without your having a life-threatening infection.

Rob0729 said:

First, I am taking everyone on their word about MRSA. Every reporter claims they do not know what is going through the locker room, but it is definitely not MRSA. I will accept that.

Second, if a piece of equipment the training room is infected with MRSA, it can spread it to other pieces of equipment. The MRSA virus can be transmitted from object to object very easily and eventually it can get to things that go inside someone's body. Everything in a treatment room can get cross contaminated.

If say there is MRSA on a treatment table and a doctor touches it and then touches a first aid kit without sterilizing again or changing gloves, it can pass MRSA to everything on that kit which then can affect multiple players. When a team discovers one of their players have MRSA, they pretty much sterilize everything because of fear of cross contamination.

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MRSA is a bacterium, not a virus. A virus can't spread the way you described since it needs a host to reproduce.

ctpatsfan77 said:

MRSA is a bacterium, not a virus. A virus can't spread the way you described since it needs a host to reproduce.

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My bad. I actually knew it wasn't a virus. I don't know what I was thinking.

Not sure if I've seen it mentioned (maybe this infection talk is all academic) but you guys do realize that MRSA is a bacteria, right?

AzorianPats said:

I agree with this. I just find it hard to believe a professional sports team worth over $2 Billion would let just a stomach bug cripple a team.

Not saying its MRSA or anything like that, but its def just not a stomach bug.

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What should they have done? Call the CDC?

Viruses can lie dormant for weeks and then emerge.

AzorianPats said:

I agree with this. I just find it hard to believe a professional sports team worth over $2 Billion would let just a stomach bug cripple a team.

Not saying its MRSA or anything like that, but its def just not a stomach bug.

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How much money you have doesn't matter to a virus


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Rob0729 said:

I know they are claiming that it isn't staph or MRSA spreading through the Patriots' locker room, but it definitely more than a simple stomach bug.

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staph and/or MRSA are a bacteria, not a virus. Hence why MRSA is talked about as being antibiotic resistant and why it's so dangerous. This is a completely different thing.

Rob0729 said:

I never said they did. I am saying we have no idea if it is really stomach viruses. When have there ever been three players on one team that have missed multiple weeks due to illness (one going to IR although they could be using it for an excuse to IR Johnson to free up his roster spot without cutting him). Hell, when has one player on a team done that other than the Patriots.

If it was a stomach bug thing going through the country, why hasn't any other player in the league missed multiple weeks because of the virus? I think there is more going on here, but I don't think it is staph or MRSA.

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If not a virus, then what? There are only so many possibilities.

rochrist said:

If not a virus, then what? There are only so many possibilities.

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There are plenty of possibilities. But you are going to tell me that three players were all knocked out of three plus games each (one IRed) because of a stomach virus? When has this ever happened. I bet there aren't three other players in the league who have missed more than one game due to the flu or virus.

Rob0729 said:

There are plenty of possibilities. But you are going to tell me that three players were all knocked out of three plus games each (one IRed) because of a stomach virus? When has this ever happened. I bet there aren't three other players in the league who have missed more than one game due to the flu or virus.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one has reported Wendell as having this thing, whatever it is. For that matter, Reiss qualifies his report as 'I'm not sure it's the same illness' in his report about Johnson. So we don't actually know that the way you've couched it is accurate. But, assuming it is, why would that be so hard to believe? I'm willing to bet it hasn't happened to any other team THIS year, but I'd be willing to bet that it's happened before. And whatever it is, it isn't the flu. I'm not sure what all these other possibilities are though that meet the described symptoms.

Rob0729 said:

I know they are claiming that it isn't staph or MRSA spreading through the Patriots' locker room, but it definitely more than a simple stomach bug.

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Could be Ebola too.