NFL owners to discuss changing Goodell's role in disciplinary process

Ivan · Nov 21, 2015

AzPatsFan said:
The NFL Constitution and Bylaws, Article VI , Section 6.5 G provides the method and Goodell's actions provides the means.

I'm reminded of Humphrey Bogart as the USS Caine's Captain kneading his ball bearings and cracking up in an interview.

I'm reminded of the Robyn Arryn character in Game of Thrones, wherein Roger is suckling at mummy's teat and asking her to make Tom Brady fly.

PatsWickedPissah · Nov 21, 2015

1960Pats said:
I can only speak for myself, but when I drop the NFL it will be for my peace of mind, not to send a message or to have an impact on their profits, which is doubtful.

In spite of having baseball in my blood as a child and spending years coaching the game, I dropped MLB almost two decades ago and have never looked back. The only times I used to even talk about it was when I wanted to make a point to one of my youth teams about how not to do something on the baseball field. Manny was one of my favorite topics.

The same is true of the NBA. When David Stern was asked about alienating the fans in the US by smugly proclaiming that "there are other fans" then that was the time for me to go. That was easier though because the game had already deteriorated to a 3 point shooting contest and the players were being encouraged to slack off during the season to be ready for the playoffs.

In each case I felt better about myself for not supporting the game even though they still turned profits. With all of the bs going on with the NFL these days, I will probably feel better about myself when I dump them too.

Sums up my feelings exactly. A former baseball fan, I gave it up 100%. Loved the Russell era Celts & Bird era, but left the NBA 100% (although I hear good things about today's Celts). A Pats fan since 1960 through all the decades of derision, but once BB & TB are gone, I will not have a problem walking away from the NYJFL that Goodell, sadly with Kraft's enabling, has perverted.
"For my piece of mind" too, and not to send an unread message.

1960Pats · Nov 21, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Sums up my feelings exactly. A former baseball fan, I gave it up 100%. Loved the Russell era Celts & Bird era, but left the NBA 100% (although I hear good things about today's Celts). A Pats fan since 1960 through all the decades of derision, but once BB & TB are gone, I will not have a problem walking away from the NYJFL that Goodell, sadly with Kraft's enabling, has perverted.
"For my piece of mind" too, and not to send an unread message.

I don't think we're alone with our thinking re the Pats. I'm still holding out hope that somehow the NFL will return before B&B are gone. Cross your fingers.

The Gr8est · Nov 21, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Sums up my feelings exactly. A former baseball fan, I gave it up 100%. Loved the Russell era Celts & Bird era, but left the NBA 100% (although I hear good things about today's Celts). A Pats fan since 1960 through all the decades of derision, but once BB & TB are gone, I will not have a problem walking away from the NYJFL that Goodell, sadly with Kraft's enabling, has perverted.
"For my piece of mind" too, and not to send an unread message.

Agreed, and for me it is as much because of Kraft as Goodell, and possibly even moreso.

Kraft's ownership will likely outlast Goodell's tenure as commissioner, so we will still get no push back against the NFL* league offices when we are victimized in the future.

PatsFanSince74 · Nov 21, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Sums up my feelings exactly. A former baseball fan, I gave it up 100%. Loved the Russell era Celts & Bird era, but left the NBA 100% (although I hear good things about today's Celts). A Pats fan since 1960 through all the decades of derision, but once BB & TB are gone, I will not have a problem walking away from the NYJFL that Goodell, sadly with Kraft's enabling, has perverted.
"For my piece of mind" too, and not to send an unread message.

DeMaurice Smith's term is up in 2018. The CBA expires in 2020.

I'd love to see Brady become Smith's successor for $1 a year and lead the players in a Strike in 2020 that breaks the grip of corrupt Owners and the Jets over the NFL Office and forces real justice and not what Judge Berman described as Goodell's "own version of industrial justice." Brady would be smart enough to know that he has to surround himself with top labor lawyers, but I have no doubt that he would attract the "Best and the Brightest" to his side.

OhExaulted1 · Nov 21, 2015

For all the Kraft bashers I say this:

You're words are nothing short of trolling and empty principles. "I'm going to stop watching when Bill and Tom leave".

Hollow words and shallow promises. If you were REAL men of principle you would abandon them NOW.

But you're not, so troll on.

RelocatedPatFan · Nov 21, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
For all the Kraft bashers I say this:

You're words are nothing short of trolling and empty principles. "I'm going to stop watching when Bill and Tom leave".

Hollow words and shallow promises. If you were REAL men of principle you would abandon them NOW.

But you're not, so troll on.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (not saying yours is a wrong attitude to have but there are degrees of differences for each of us and I have no reason to doubt the posters who feel one way or another).

Perhaps from their perspective they have invested so much into TB and BB that they feel loyal and committed to them personally, regardless, of the team they play on.

Or, they might interpret your stance as saying if you divorce your wife you have to stop loving your kids.

PatsFanSince74 · Nov 21, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
For all the Kraft bashers I say this:

You're words are nothing short of trolling and empty principles. "I'm going to stop watching when Bill and Tom leave".

Hollow words and shallow promises. If you were REAL men of principle you would abandon them NOW.

But you're not, so troll on.

Disagree. It is completely reasonable to support an organization because of its leadership and then remove the support when the leadership leaves. Brady and Belichick are the kind of leaders who inspire that type of loyalty.

Deus Irae · Nov 21, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
Good idea, because the players will be ready to strike over the next CBA.

No more Bob Kraft hugging Jeff Saturday. The threat or reality of a long strike is the only way to get rid of Goodell and the Jetsnation at 345 Park and really change things.

Question.

Will we as fans support them this time or just assail them, like we did last time, as greedy, overpaid jocks for threatening to strike over the basic rights that Goodell tried to deny to Tom Brady?

I think we should all think about it. Are we willing to lose a season for the players to get Justice?

I was against the players signing last time, so supporting them again would be easy for me. The issues are pretty cut and dry on this, in my mind.

PatsFanSince74 · Nov 21, 2015

Deus Irae said:
I was against the players signing last time, so supporting them again would be easy for me. The issues are pretty cut and dry on this, in my mind.

Congratulations.
I'll admit that I was naive about this last time and was fooled into buying into the CW that the players were rich men playing a kids' game. I've been enlightened in so many ways since then...concussions...and, of course, the absurd injustice visited on Brady.
Now I'm a zealot.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Deus Irae · Nov 21, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
Congratulations.
I'll admit that I was naive about this last time and was fooled into buying into the CW that the players were rich men playing a kids' game. I've been enlightened in so many ways since then...concussions...and, of course, the absurd injustice visited on Brady.
Now I'm a zealot.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Yeah... It's nothing for congratulations. It was just knowing Goodell and what the owners were looking to gain. Unfortunately, the players will lose again, if they can't get the membership to save money prior to the end of the deal.

Joker · Nov 21, 2015

Deus Irae · Nov 21, 2015

Joker said:

The worst part of all this is that, outside of the concussion issue, and the brief time with replacement refs, pretty much all of Goodell's wounds are self-inflicted. He just can't help himself.

Jlaff · Nov 21, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
For all the Kraft bashers I say this:

You're words are nothing short of trolling and empty principles. "I'm going to stop watching when Bill and Tom leave".

Hollow words and shallow promises. If you were REAL men of principle you would abandon them NOW.

But you're not, so troll on.

I thought I might realistically watch roughly 4 less games than I did in years past as a knee-jerk reaction after Kraft's last capitulation following the NFL's antics.

In reality, I think I may have caught half of one game on tv, and a few others on the radio this year. In years past I never missed a Pat's game and would spend Sunday morning till night glued to the NFL. I'm still a fan of Brady and Belichick, and I still enjoy this forum, so please no one respond with the Internet's favorite "why are you even here" response. But I'm actually shocked that my initial knee-jerk reaction fell short, I really couldn't know how badly Kraft and the NFL could ruin football for me until the season was underway, and once again, the actual magnitude of the effect on me was totally unexpected.

voluntarysaftey · Nov 21, 2015

I wonder if Goodell would've been fired by now if he didn't have a severance package -- do the owners actually think he's doing a good job, or is he tolerated because the owners would lose 60million if they fired him?

It's still unfathomable to me how the owners can collectively be stupid enough to give such a big payout to a guy, given he likely would've taken the job for a lot less money and without the massive severance package.

And I wonder how much of that severance package is the result of Kraft lobbying to give it to him when Kraft was lobbying for him to be commissioner?

OhExaulted1 · Nov 21, 2015

If any of you rat-**** ****bags want to jump ship, no problem. I ain't throwing you a life-buoy. I'm a die-hard never give up New England Patriot Football Fan.

You *****es want to abondon this team after Bill and Tom are gone , GOOD ****IN RIDDENCE!!!

Don't want ya and don't ****in need ya. GOODBYE!

OhExaulted1 · Nov 21, 2015

No response is EXACTLY what I expected.

I hate fake people. Do the rest of us a favor and stay curled up in your hole.

MagicMarker · Nov 21, 2015

Deus Irae said:
The worst part of all this is that, outside of the concussion issue, and the brief time with replacement refs, pretty much all of Goodell's wounds are self-inflicted. He just can't help himself.

I think of Roger as a bully and wants to squeeze the last little bit from everyone. I think he did that with the refs. So, I think the replacement ref issues were self inflicted as well.

Galeb · Nov 21, 2015

OhExaulted1 said:
No response is EXACTLY what I expected.

I hate fake people. Do the rest of us a favor and stay curled up in your hole.

OhExaulted1 · Nov 21, 2015

Galeb said:
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I'm not jumping on the "I hate Bob Kraft" bandwagon.

No way, know how NOT EVER.

If it wasn't for him we'd be on a St. Louis Stallions site and football in NE would be dead and gone.

Count me out on that BS. Right or wrong I stand behind this owner and I'm not going to bend.

I'm a die-hard NE Patriot fan and if it wasn't for Bob Kraft there would be no Bill Belichick or Tom Brady.

Take your fair-weather BS elsewhere. I'm having none of it.

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