Chris Barker being waived is the best news I've heard in 3 weeks

patfanken · Nov 18, 2015

Greenie is a Jets fan who has the courage to say it out loud in front of a national audience. You have to give him credit for that. He and Golic are occasionally mildly irritating on the ESPN meter of disdain. I find it hard to hate him. Rather he is a person to be pitied as are most Jet fans.

Now Carter is a whole 'nother story. He IS a loathsome creature, who is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. The REAL Chris Carter is the guy who tells rookies to have a "fall guy" ready. That's all you realy have to know about Chris Carter's character.

Now as far as the Joker goes, I've met the man in person. I've spoken to him on a lot of issues other than football. I've broken bread with him. He knew I was Jewish and STILL picked up the tab.

Was he over the top with his Greenie criticism? OF COURSE he was. But that's his thing. Who else on this board would you rather get a good rant from, especially when it concerns the Jets.

BTW Does God hate Jet fans? Of COURSE he does! Think about this. Back in the day, when God was pissed at the Jews, he sent them to wander the desert for 40 years. Well God gave Jet fans a peak at the Promised land, when he gave them Superbowl 3, then when he saw their arrogance, he banished them to the proverbial NFL desert for next 45 years and counting. That is over 2 generations, and along the way he's made them the laughing stock of the league for most of those years. Nothing but late night punch lines, and back page embarrassments

About once or twice a decade he allows them to sniff at glory, only to knock them back to desolation and derision. You don't become a Jet fan, you are CURSED with it. Making is child a Jet fan is like naming him "Sue", to toughen him up. It is the only logical explanation. Otherwise it is tantamount to child abuse to lay such a debilitating burden on someone who has no choice.

n6249c · Nov 18, 2015

Joker said:
It's definitely Guglielmo's influence and precisely WHY BB brought him aboard. BTW, that NFLN special on the 2014 season is the best piece of sports fan candy I've seen in sometime. Gugs comes across as a very confident ,secure man who's very happy where he's at in his coaching life. Future HC material IMO.

Why say you think he's happy where he is and then immediately start talking about him changing jobs? Maybe he's happy where he is and smart enough to realize that means he should stay there? Or was Scar a failure because he never progressed in his career?

JMC00 · Nov 18, 2015

PatsFan2 said:
I dont want Marcus Cannon in anyway shape or form protecting Brady's blindside

Did a pretty good job in the 2nd half of the cowboys game when he replaced Solder.

Mike the Brit · Nov 18, 2015

patfanken said:
Greenie is a Jets fan who has the courage to say it out loud in front of a national audience. You have to give him credit for that. He and Golic are occasionally mildly irritating on the ESPN meter of disdain. I find it hard to hate him. Rather he is a person to be pitied as are most Jet fans.

Now Carter is a whole 'nother story. He IS a loathsome creature, who is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. The REAL Chris Carter is the guy who tells rookies to have a "fall guy" ready. That's all you realy have to know about Chris Carter's character.

Now as far as the Joker goes, I've met the man in person. I've spoken to him on a lot of issues other than football. I've broken bread with him. He knew I was Jewish and STILL picked up the tab.

Was he over the top with his Greenie criticism? OF COURSE he was. But that's his thing. Who else on this board would you rather get a good rant from, especially when it concerns the Jets.

BTW Does God hate Jet fans? Of COURSE he does! Think about this. Back in the day, when God was pissed at the Jews, he sent them to wander the desert for 40 years. Well God gave Jet fans a peak at the Promised land, when he gave them Superbowl 3, then when he saw their arrogance, he banished them to the proverbial NFL desert for next 45 years and counting. That is over 2 generations, and along the way he's made them the laughing stock of the league for most of those years. Nothing but late night punch lines, and back page embarrassments

About once or twice a decade he allows them to sniff at glory, only to knock them back to desolation and derision. You don't become a Jet fan, you are CURSED with it. Making is child a Jet fan is like naming him "Sue", to toughen him up. It is the only logical explanation. Otherwise it is tantamount to child abuse to lay such a debilitating burden on someone who has no choice.

Bless you, Ken! You're a kind and generous man. But the Jets = the Jews? Really?

The Jews have Freud, Einstein and Isaiah Berlin and the Jets have Rex Ryan, Joe Namath and Mark Gastineau.

Joker · Nov 18, 2015

perhaps my lack of clarity set off your hypocrisy sensor..."future HC material" was meant as an allusion to the post-Belechick dystopian wasteland that will surely envelop the NFL sometime in the distant future.

RobertWeathers · Nov 18, 2015

aluminum seats said:
Eh, ok. I don't blame individual guys for being at ESPN. You get into sports broadcasting, that's an incredibly sweet gig. To each his own.

I agree. I'm sure Greenie and Golic are good people. Its not personal.

However, its open season on their on-air personalities.

n6249c · Nov 18, 2015

betterthanthealternative said:
As a student of leadership, I wonder about the relationships and power distribution that BB creates. Would Gugs need to lobby him in order to do this, or does BB give his coaches the room to make these kinds of decisions on their own, without asking for his blessing? Is it a permission thing, or a consultation thing, or what?

Perhaps better wording would be "that BB and his coaches co-create"? I'm also fascinated by such, and suspect that the dynamics are not the same across the board. But yes, I would love to be a fly on the wall in Belichick's presence for long enough to get some good insight into how he handles that aspect of things. And not just BB, also RK and perhaps even Jonathan...

RobertWeathers · Nov 18, 2015

Mike the Brit said:
Googe quite specifically said (in *Do Your Job*?) he was taken by surprise at Mankins being traded. You move on from your best offensive lineman without even discussing it with the position coach? I think that tells you a lot about how BB runs the organization. (But what fan could object?)

Yes and no.

Either BB compartmentalizes coaches from FO decisions or Googs hadn't yet worked himself into the inner-circle.

We do know JMD has input on who they bring in and Googs does work out potential draftees.

With all that said, I'd bet my bottom-dollar that BB queried Googs on where the O-linemen were at from a development/performance standpoint -including Mankins before he sent him packing.

n6249c · Nov 18, 2015

Mike the Brit said:
Googe quite specifically said (in *Do Your Job*?) he was taken by surprise at Mankins being traded. You move on from your best offensive lineman without even discussing it with the position coach? I think that tells you a lot about how BB runs the organization. (But what fan could object?)

I think that may be taking an overly simplistic view. I'd think it is quite possible that the situation described was Googe being surprised when Belichick discussed it with him. He could have been consulted, even given veto opportunity, and still been surprised. More likely, Belichick made the deal based on his own evaluation of the relative value of Mankins and compensation received and expected all the coaches affected to handle the effects on their area of responsibility. That's doing his job and expecting them to do theirs. Not a bad way to run an organization, IMNSHO.

n6249c · Nov 18, 2015

Joker said:
perhaps my lack of clarity set off your hypocrisy sensor..."future HC material" was meant as an allusion to the post-Belechick dystopian wasteland that will surely envelop the NFL sometime in the distant future.

Ah, I don't expect the dynasty to fail so quickly. I have confidence that the Patriot Way has been inculcated into enough of the next generation to sustain. Jonathan will continue to be a good steward of what his father has built, Josh McD may be patient enough to accept Belichick's mentoring until it's time for the transition. And I'm hoping Googe might see Scar's career path as one of the most successful models he can find. If all those come to pass we could see another sustained run of domination, given the level of young talent currently on the roster and the proven ability to keep the pipeline filled. But you can choose to be pessimistic if you want to balance my optimism, we need both perspectives...

patfanken · Nov 18, 2015

Mike the Brit said:
Bless you, Ken! You're a kind and generous man. But the Jets = the Jews? Really?

The Jews have Freud, Einstein and Isaiah Berlin and the Jets have Rex Ryan, Joe Namath and Mark Gastineau.

God, if you got the impression I was equating the Jewish experience with Jet fans, I erred in my writing. The point I was trying to make was that when God was pissed at the Jews he made them wander the desert for "just" 40 years. When he was pissed at Jet fans he's already at 46 and the end isn't even in sight. Now THAT is being pissed.

I hope that clears that up.

Joker · Nov 18, 2015

n6249c said:
Ah, I don't expect the dynasty to fail so quickly. I have confidence that the Patriot Way has been inculcated into enough of the next generation to sustain. Jonathan will continue to be a good steward of what his father has built, Josh McD may be patient enough to accept Belichick's mentoring until it's time for the transition. And I'm hoping Googe might see Scar's career path as one of the most successful models he can find. If all those come to pass we could see another sustained run of domination, given the level of young talent currently on the roster and the proven ability to keep the pipeline filled. But you can choose to be pessimistic if you want to balance my optimism, we need both perspectives...

jeezus, what a post. I don't know if I'm being complimented, excoriated or patronized but you know what? I don't care. Only a Pats fan could effortlessly use "inculcated" to elucidate his position and, at the same, insure any lurking Jets fan will run screaming from his computer terminal, head pounding with the pain of ill bred ignorance.

Rhodey · Nov 18, 2015

patfanken said:
OK that might be a bit hyperbolic, but it IS very good news. Why? Because the Pats wouldn't make that move if they didn't know for certain one or more of the missing OT's are coming back. My guess it's Volmer.

Regardless it will present some questions about what happens to Stork. If Volmer comes back, he'll likely move back to RT and where do you play Stork. I would contend that despite the admirable job David Andrews has done, Stork is the better Center. But who knows what the Pats will do. It's a problem, but at LEAST its a good one for a change

Methinks the NEP would not be undefeated right now without David Andrews. And certainly not just because of him. Rather, that they were able to add a quality C at a time when they really needed someone to play that position...and very well! And even though Stork is back, now they need players on that line filling in. After all, Tom Brady's health is on that line!

And as a big Andrews fan/booster, I'll say one more thing on topic. Concussions are a weird thing. And if Stork happens to go down, again, with the same injury, having Andrews on the team still leaves the team- that is having a great season -in a position to not only win games, but win the last game, as well.

Rhodey · Nov 18, 2015

betterthanthealternative said:
As a student of leadership, I wonder about the relationships and power distribution that BB creates. Would Gugs need to lobby him in order to do this, or does BB give his coaches the room to make these kinds of decisions on their own, without asking for his blessing? Is it a permission thing, or a consultation thing, or what?

One of my MA degrees in in leadership. Most so-called instructors in the schools (of indoctrination) should be pitching the over-priced textbooks and using BB as their instructor. After all, wisdom is action.

Fencer · Nov 18, 2015

As I posted elsewhere, I think Barker being cut is or should be a sign that 2 OL are ready to come back. It's clear that BB would prefer to have at least 7 game-day active OL.

meatface · Nov 18, 2015

Fencer said:
As I posted elsewhere, I think Barker being cut is or should be a sign that 2 OL are ready to come back. It's clear that BB would prefer to have at least 7 game-day active OL.

It would be great if Vollmer and Cannon can be back, especially with the Denver game coming up. Also a solid o-line will obviously help the passing game out quite a bit

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