Christine Michael anyone?

just released by Cowboys.....

stcjones said:

just released by Cowboys.....

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That's interesting that they released him after making a point to trade for him AND being worse off in their RB situation than the Pats..

Jets will grab him

Really, you'd think the boys would want to hang onto some rb depth

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Man, I wonder what the Cowboys are thinking. They've now got nothing behind McFadden.

Nope .....

BradyFTW! said:

Man, I wonder what the Cowboys are thinking. They've now got nothing behind McFadden.

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Probably thinking C-Mike isn't worth a roster spot. He's the RB version of Cordarrelle Patterson. Dumbed down college football, Nike SPARQ and fantasy football have really changed the way fans look at players, but coaches actually base their evaluations on reality.

Sticky Caulk said:

Probably thinking C-Mike isn't worth a roster spot. He's the RB version of Cordarrelle Patterson. Dumbed down college football, Nike SPARQ and fantasy football have really changed the way fans look at players, but coaches actually base their evaluations on reality.

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Why do people blame Fantasy Football like it's making fans dumber? It's actually forcing fans to look at statistical evidence of a player's production ON TOP of watching games which they were already doing.

It's the laziest retort.

condon84 said:

Why do people blame Fantasy Football like it's making fans dumber? It's actually forcing fans to look at statistical evidence of a player's production ON TOP of watching games which they were already doing.

It's the laziest retort.

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Blaming Fantasy Football for everything has just become the cool thing to do.

I have little doubt we won't be looking at Michael as team seem happy to move on due to attitude, etc, which was the reason he fell in the draft (and caused problems in college). It's too bad, he has some nice quickness to the line that I would love to see in New England but it won't be with this player.

BelichickFan said:

Blaming Fantasy Football for everything has just become the cool thing to do.

I have little doubt we won't be looking at Michael as team seem happy to move on due to attitude, etc, which was the reason he fell in the draft (and caused problems in college). It's too bad, he has some nice quickness to the line that I would love to see in New England but it won't be with this player.

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People say the same thing about video games too. They both have value in that it's an easy way to learn a lot of the players in the league and have a general idea as to their skill. But you have to admit it leaves fans vastly over rating the skill positions and watching the game in a different way. I tend to focus more on line of scrimmage and who is winning there especially at the stadium but fantasy fans might not take their eye off the ball and don't even get me started on the red zone. People forgo live games for a glorified instant highlight reel.

condon84 said:

Why do people blame Fantasy Football like it's making fans dumber? It's actually forcing fans to look at statistical evidence of a player's production ON TOP of watching games which they were already doing.

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It's not making them dumber, it's just changing them from "football fans" and "Patriots fans" into "ff fans." Different animals.

It's can be tough as a football fan to watch a game with a bunch of ff fans. They act personally affronted when Gronk is used as a blocker, even if the running game is tearing up the field. They flip away from the Pats game to check on their ff players, groan when the "wrong" Pats player scores, and cheer randomly because one of their ff players scored in an unrelated game. When LaFell joyfully announced on social media that he was going to be activated after a long, grueling rehab, he got responses like "Finally! Here's how many points I need from you this week..."

(If the above description doesn't apply to you, great! But if you want to know why fantasy players get a bad rap, it's because of hordes of the above.)

But you're right, fantasy football is blameless when it comes to why people overvalue Christine Michael. That has to do with the public having a better view of his terrific atheltic potential than his terrible attitude.

signbabybrady said:

People say the same thing about video games too. They both have value in that it's an easy way to learn a lot of the players in the league and have a general idea as to their skill. But you have to admit it leaves fans vastly over rating the skill positions and watching the game in a different way.

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The issue isn't Christine Michael vs., say, Dewey McDonald. It's whether Christine Michael, pros and cons, could help fit into Blount, White, Bolden, etc. It has nothing to do with fantasy football or skill player vs. lineman. It's RB vs. RB. My personal opinion is that if he fit into the locker room his quicks to the line would help at times compared to Blount who's slower to the line but powerful. And I would feel that way whether I played fantasy football or not (it just so happens I do - and fantasy basketball and fantasy baseball).

BelichickFan said:

The issue isn't Christine Michael vs., say, Dewey McDonald. It's whether Christine Michael, pros and cons, could help fit into Blount, White, Bolden, etc. It has nothing to do with fantasy football or skill player vs. lineman. It's RB vs. RB. My personal opinion is that if he fit into the locker room his quicks to the line would help at times compared to Blount who's slower to the line but powerful. And I would feel that way whether I played fantasy football or not (it just so happens I do - and fantasy basketball and fantasy baseball).

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Lives in a fantasy world?

signbabybrady said:

People say the same thing about video games too. They both have value in that it's an easy way to learn a lot of the players in the league and have a general idea as to their skill. But you have to admit it leaves fans vastly over rating the skill positions and watching the game in a different way. I tend to focus more on line of scrimmage and who is winning there especially at the stadium but fantasy fans might not take their eye off the ball and don't even get me started on the red zone. People forgo live games for a glorified instant highlight reel.

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FF fans are now more aware of how effective OLs are because it has a direct effect on the running game or passing game. It really isn't just all about skill players.

They also know what defenses tendencies are as far as whether they stop the run or pass more effectively. How injuries affect both sides of the ball, matchups and a slew of other aspects that non-hardcore fans were never looking at before.

It's a better argument that FF has made fans, because of $$ involve, more football savvy than ever.

patchick said:

It's not making them dumber, it's just changing them from "football fans" and "Patriots fans" into "ff fans." Different animals.

It's can be tough as a football fan to watch a game with a bunch of ff fans. They act personally affronted when Gronk is used as a blocker, even if the running game is tearing up the field. They flip away from the Pats game to check on their ff players, groan when the "wrong" Pats player scores, and cheer randomly because one of their ff players scored in an unrelated game. When LaFell joyfully announced on social media that he was going to be activated after a long, grueling rehab, he got responses like "Finally! Here's how many points I need from you this week..."

(If the above description doesn't apply to you, great! But if you want to know why fantasy players get a bad rap, it's because of hordes of the above.)

But you're right, fantasy football is blameless when it comes to why people overvalue Christine Michael. That has to do with the public having a better view of his terrific atheltic potential than his terrible attitude.

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FF has taken homerism out and has made it simply about productivity of offenses and it's players vs their defensive matchups.

Homers ALWAYS do poorly in FF leagues. Unless of course, you're a Pats homer and you drafted Gronk and Brady

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FF has taken homerism out and has made it simply about productivity of offenses and it's players vs their defensive matchups.

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Exactly -- it eliminates rooting for teams and caring about wins and losses. Which is why it's directly at odds with traditional football fandom.

condon84 said:

FF fans are now more aware of how effective OLs are because it has a direct effect on the running game or passing game. It really isn't just all about skill players.

They also know what defenses tendencies are as far as whether they stop the run or pass more effectively. How injuries affect both sides of the ball, matchups and a slew of other aspects that non-hardcore fans were never looking at before.

It's a better argument that FF has made fans, because of $$ involve, more football savvy than ever.

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If this is actually true it's interesting but I suspect this only true of the real hardcore fantasy guys. I really doubt more than one or two people in each league my brothers are in go that far. I am not in any leagues so maybe my opinion is outdated and maybe the longer the fantasy geeks play the more in depth they get but I still suspect most fantasy players are dumb fans.

Well I make sure to never draft any Patriots except their defense. I don't want to root for, say, Edelman over Gronk. Or want them to throw on 2nd & 1 at the goaline because I have Brady. I let everyone else draft the Patriots, take their defense (as there's no conflict of interest there) and the Patriots always come first if my opponent has Patriots.

Sticky Caulk said:

Probably thinking C-Mike isn't worth a roster spot. He's the RB version of Cordarrelle Patterson. Dumbed down college football, Nike SPARQ and fantasy football have really changed the way fans look at players, but coaches actually base their evaluations on reality.

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I don't think Christine Michael's good. I'm surprised that the Cowboys would rather have Rod Smith and Trey Williams behind McFadden, a notoriously injury-prone RB. Seems like you want as many even-semi-capable bodies as you can reasonably get behind him.

BelichickFan said:

Well I make sure to never draft any Patriots except their defense. I don't want to root for, say, Edelman over Gronk. Or want them to throw on 2nd & 1 at the goaline because I have Brady. I let everyone else draft the Patriots, take their defense (as there's no conflict of interest there) and the Patriots always come first if my opponent has Patriots.

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I go BPA; many years that means I have no Patriots, the past few years before this one it meant I had Gronk/Brady in almost every league, now it means I have LaFell and the Pats' D in most of my leagues. The key is to just clearly prioritize the Pats over your fantasy team. Shouldn't be too hard, I'll gladly root for the Pats to score or stop an opponent from scoring every time, even if it costs my fantasy team a win.