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the biggest positive is that he is improving each and every week. from week 1 where he was burned by brown to now there is a big difference. by the playoffs he could be a beast which would be huge. limiting the teams #1 WR

what he did Sunday was impressive. essentially locking down one of the top WR's in the NFL after that 87yard catch.

It will be interesting to see if they put him on Thomas or Sanders next week(if sanders plays)
 
No nfl player quits because of a bad play. He made plays he doesn't have a special mental characteristic.
But what separates good from great is not allowing the 87 yard td.


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Mccourty was partly responsible for the 87yd td. Last year Revis gave up a long td before the half against the packers and there wasn't a safety cutting him off from tackling his man. Butler played great against one of the best receivers in the league and if someone doesn't recognize that then they have a preconceived agenda or bias that is affecting their opinion.
 
He needs a couple more high profile INTs for people to stop throwing at him.
There's definitely a luck element to picks, but agreed it would be nice to see a few interceptions from Malcolm.
 
Any one here get that Butler Jersey yet!?
As long as Malcolm doesn't disgrace himself or disrespect the team - even if he leaves for FA a jersey can be worn proudly forever.
 
If we'd kept our cast of CBs from last year, I wonder where Butler would be right now. Opposite Revid and replacing Browner against quicker receivers? Starting in the slot over Arrington? Hard to believe he was barely an afterthought up until that incredible second half in the SB.

In a presser from a few weeks ago, BB said Malcolm would be seeing significant time somewhere.

I think your speculation is pretty accurate.

With that said, I think because BB projected Malcolm as 1st team material that made the decision to let Arrington, Browner and Revis walk a little easier to do.
 
This thread is great, good to see folks finally coming around to support the secondary. We can finally stop talking about Revis. Even the OL concerns which are valid have to be tempered by how well the thrown together players have performed. This is all a testament on how good BB is at getting the most out of his players. They all buy in.
 
I've been thinking about Butler and his future. Let's be honest: there are two sides to the Butler coin. One side is that he clearly has talent and works hard and has seemingly made himself into a very good corner - so far. The other side is that he's still an UDFA who had to come to a rookie free agent tryout in order to have a shot at making the team last year, and he's only really played in a handful of NFL games, relatively speaking. So we don't really know what he is.

His contract is as follows:
2014 - $420,000
2015 - $510,000
2016 - $600,000

Insanely cheap money for a #1 corner in this league. Look here (Cornerback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap) to see what corners make in the NFL.

If Butler continues to play like this (and even improve), after next season, as a free agent, he'll be in position to make huge money. Probably something north of $8 million a year.

So the question is: Should the Patriots consider extending Butler now, for, say, $3 million a year over a 5-6 year period? It's not an easy call.

For the Pats:
Obviously the motive here would be to secure Butler for less money than he'd possibly make on the open market. Thus, if he really is a true #1 corner, he'd give them #1 corner production for way less, thus making him an incredible value. But the risk is that Butler is NOT a true #1 corner, and they end up with a big commitment to a guy who hasn't really demonstrated a track record of excellence.

For Butler:
Especially if $8 million of the $15 million is guaranteed, that's more money in one shot than he's ever imagined making in his lifetime (probably). For an UDFA from a division 2 school, yeah, this would represent an enormous payday, and life security. However, it's a risk, because what if he really is a true #1 corner? He's giving up a huge payday after the 2016 season.

So.... Good idea or not? What say ye, Patsfans?
 
I've been thinking about Butler and his future. Let's be honest: there are two sides to the Butler coin. One side is that he clearly has talent and works hard and has seemingly made himself into a very good corner - so far. The other side is that he's still an UDFA who had to come to a rookie free agent tryout in order to have a shot at making the team last year, and he's only really played in a handful of NFL games, relatively speaking. So we don't really know what he is.

His contract is as follows:
2014 - $420,000
2015 - $510,000
2016 - $600,000

Insanely cheap money for a #1 corner in this league. Look here (Cornerback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap) to see what corners make in the NFL.

If Butler continues to play like this (and even improve), after next season, as a free agent, he'll be in position to make huge money. Probably something north of $8 million a year.

So the question is: Should the Patriots consider extending Butler now, for, say, $3 million a year over a 5-6 year period? It's not an easy call.

For the Pats:
Obviously the motive here would be to secure Butler for less money than he'd possibly make on the open market. Thus, if he really is a true #1 corner, he'd give them #1 corner production for way less, thus making him an incredible value. But the risk is that Butler is NOT a true #1 corner, and they end up with a big commitment to a guy who hasn't really demonstrated a track record of excellence.

For Butler:
Especially if $8 million of the $15 million is guaranteed, that's more money in one shot than he's ever imagined making in his lifetime (probably). For an UDFA from a division 2 school, yeah, this would represent an enormous payday, and life security. However, it's a risk, because what if he really is a true #1 corner? He's giving up a huge payday after the 2016 season.

So.... Good idea or not? What say ye, Patsfans?
Definitely a good idea, although I wouldn't claim to know what the specific dollars might be. I expect they'll extend him in the off-season. Gives them a good player under market rates, and gives Butler security in a league where--as we all know--careers can end on any given play.
 
Awful idea. We should offer him more. He's clearly earned it, and I think a lowball contract like that would be offensive.
 
I've been thinking about Butler and his future. Let's be honest: there are two sides to the Butler coin. One side is that he clearly has talent and works hard and has seemingly made himself into a very good corner - so far. The other side is that he's still an UDFA who had to come to a rookie free agent tryout in order to have a shot at making the team last year, and he's only really played in a handful of NFL games, relatively speaking. So we don't really know what he is.

His contract is as follows:
2014 - $420,000
2015 - $510,000
2016 - $600,000

Insanely cheap money for a #1 corner in this league. Look here (Cornerback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap) to see what corners make in the NFL.

If Butler continues to play like this (and even improve), after next season, as a free agent, he'll be in position to make huge money. Probably something north of $8 million a year.

So the question is: Should the Patriots consider extending Butler now, for, say, $3 million a year over a 5-6 year period? It's not an easy call.

For the Pats:
Obviously the motive here would be to secure Butler for less money than he'd possibly make on the open market. Thus, if he really is a true #1 corner, he'd give them #1 corner production for way less, thus making him an incredible value. But the risk is that Butler is NOT a true #1 corner, and they end up with a big commitment to a guy who hasn't really demonstrated a track record of excellence.

For Butler:
Especially if $8 million of the $15 million is guaranteed, that's more money in one shot than he's ever imagined making in his lifetime (probably). For an UDFA from a division 2 school, yeah, this would represent an enormous payday, and life security. However, it's a risk, because what if he really is a true #1 corner? He's giving up a huge payday after the 2016 season.

So.... Good idea or not? What say ye, Patsfans?

Previous discussions have claimed that the CBA does not allow extending UDFA rookie contract until after the third year. Reading the CBA, it looks like that is true. At least, I've been unable to find anything to the contrary.

So I think the best we can hope for is a friendly negotiation, with the team making a fair offer and Butler accepting it without going out into the market for a competitive auction. Trying to cheap out by offering a sketchy deal for a lot less than fair market value risks pissing him off and backfiring, IMHO.

Pay the man!
 
I've been thinking about Butler and his future. Let's be honest: there are two sides to the Butler coin. One side is that he clearly has talent and works hard and has seemingly made himself into a very good corner - so far. The other side is that he's still an UDFA who had to come to a rookie free agent tryout in order to have a shot at making the team last year, and he's only really played in a handful of NFL games, relatively speaking. So we don't really know what he is.

His contract is as follows:
2014 - $420,000
2015 - $510,000
2016 - $600,000

Insanely cheap money for a #1 corner in this league. Look here (Cornerback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap) to see what corners make in the NFL.

If Butler continues to play like this (and even improve), after next season, as a free agent, he'll be in position to make huge money. Probably something north of $8 million a year.

So the question is: Should the Patriots consider extending Butler now, for, say, $3 million a year over a 5-6 year period? It's not an easy call.

For the Pats:
Obviously the motive here would be to secure Butler for less money than he'd possibly make on the open market. Thus, if he really is a true #1 corner, he'd give them #1 corner production for way less, thus making him an incredible value. But the risk is that Butler is NOT a true #1 corner, and they end up with a big commitment to a guy who hasn't really demonstrated a track record of excellence.

For Butler:
Especially if $8 million of the $15 million is guaranteed, that's more money in one shot than he's ever imagined making in his lifetime (probably). For an UDFA from a division 2 school, yeah, this would represent an enormous payday, and life security. However, it's a risk, because what if he really is a true #1 corner? He's giving up a huge payday after the 2016 season.

So.... Good idea or not? What say ye, Patsfans?

$18M over 6 years...ha ha ha! You forgot the part where BB becomes his agent and promises to be fair.

Revis made $17M for one year here. If Butler hit the market this instant, even with less than a full season of experience, the starting point is north of $6M annually. If he continues upward and earns some year-end honors, it could exceed $10M.

Butler isn't just good...he is young, too, playing the league's most low-supply position for top talent.

Because the Pats could extend him (I think next season) and take away his injury risk, a discount in the $6-7M annual range seems reasonable, though that number could increase or decrease depending on his development and health.
 
Previous discussions have claimed that the CBA does not allow extending UDFA rookie contract until after the third year. Reading the CBA, it looks like that is true. At least, I've been unable to find anything to the contrary.

So I think the best we can hope for is a friendly negotiation, with the team making a fair offer and Butler accepting it without going out into the market for a competitive auction. Trying to cheap out by offering a sketchy deal for a lot less than fair market value risks pissing him off and backfiring, IMHO.

Pay the man!

Ah, I did not know that. Good information.
 
Mccourty was partly responsible for the 87yd td. Last year Revis gave up a long td before the half against the packers and there wasn't a safety cutting him off from tackling his man. Butler played great against one of the best receivers in the league and if someone doesn't recognize that then they have a preconceived agenda or bias that is affecting their opinion.
Allowing 87 yard Tds is part of the game. Other than that he played great but THAT still happened. If you want to have a bunch of long passes completed on your corner and excuse him because someone else should have made the tackle that's fine but the play still exists.


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Awful idea. We should offer him more. He's clearly earned it, and I think a lowball contract like that would be offensive.

Lets slow down a little. His future is outstanding but he only has 10 career starts.

His next deal is between $4-$5m AAV.

Anything more than that is a bit of an overpay.
 
Lets slow down a little. His future is outstanding but he only has 10 career starts.

His next deal is between $4-$5m AAV.

Anything more than that is a bit of an overpay.

I think you need to recalibrate your expectations based on the CB contracts that were signed this past offseason:

Byron Maxwell
Brandon Flowers
Antonio Cromartie
Kareem Jackson
Tramon Williams
Chris Culliver
Perrish Cox

Butler is better and younger than every one of those guys, and they're all making over $5M AAV, significantly more in most cases. You're basically saying that giving Perrish Cox money to a 25 year old first-year starter who's already a legit CB1 would be an overpay.

Assuming he merely maintains his current level of play, without accounting at all for the rising cap--aka without accounting for the two biggest reasons why his value will likely increase--he'll at a minimum get an offer somewhere in the Maxwell-Flowers range.
 
I think you need to recalibrate your expectations based on the CB contracts that were signed this past offseason:

Byron Maxwell
Brandon Flowers
Antonio Cromartie
Kareem Jackson
Tramon Williams
Chris Culliver
Perrish Cox

Butler is better and younger than every one of those guys, and they're all making over $5M AAV, significantly more in most cases. You're basically saying that giving Perrish Cox money to a 25 year old first-year starter who's already a legit CB1 would be an overpay.

If he hits the open market he could see that kind of money.

Since he won't, the offer from the Pats will be $4m-$5m AAV.

Butler will have a decision to make.
 
If he hits the open market he could see that kind of money.

Since he won't, the offer from the Pats will be $4m-$5m AAV.

Butler will have a decision to make.

And what exactly is going to keep him from hitting the market, if that's the Pats' best offer? You can keep guys from hitting the open market by offering them a fair bit less than market value earlier on to reduce risk. You won't keep anyone from hitting the open market by offering them less than half of their market value at any point in their contract.

Signing him before he hits the open market explains how we might be able to get him for $9-10M AAV rather than $11M+. Not $5M.
 
And what exactly is going to keep him from hitting the market, if that's the Pats' best offer? You can keep guys from hitting the open market by offering them a fair bit less than market value earlier on to reduce risk. You won't keep anyone from hitting the open market by offering them less than half of their market value at any point in their contract.

Signing him before he hits the open market explains how we might be able to get him for $9-10M AAV rather than $11M+. Not $5M.

There is no way in hell the Pats are paying Malcolm $9m AAV at the end of this season. Wont happen.
 
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