Practice squad pay raises for three players

@MikeReiss: Patriots practice squad pay bumps for Darius Fleming (LB), Asante Cleveland (TE) & Chris Harper (WR) -- from $6,600/week to $10,000/week.

@MikeReiss: Patriots, as well as other teams, sometimes increase salaries of practice squad players in-season as reward for their behind-the-scenes work

Harper!!!! My boy!! Can't wait to see what he can do next year...

Decent scratch.

Ross12 said:

Harper!!!! My boy!! Can't wait to see what he can do next year...

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Yup, I think the kid has some potential

No offensive linemen in this group.

Great for them, buy something nice

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VrabelJr said:

Decent scratch.

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backup to the backup to the backup: 10k x 16 = 160,000. Extrapolated: $10k x 52 - 520,000. Yea I might refer to that as decent scratch.

I thought Cleveland showed potential as a move-TE in pre-season. Maybe, a little stronger and better blocking, may crack 53 next fall.

TheBostonStraggler said:

backup to the backup to the backup: 10k x 16 = 160,000. Extrapolated: $10k x 52 - 520,000. Yea I might refer to that as decent scratch.

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Football players do not have the opportunity to extrapolate. These players have been paid 6600 for 8 games and will be paid 10000 per game for 8 more. The total is $132,800. Other than per diems to cover room and food, practice players don't make any more than that. Considering that football players have devoted many, many years at zero pay developing their talent, and have an average NFL future of 3-4 years, $132K is not a lot money. To put it another way, they are among the top 2500 people in the entire world in the profession. Consider what you might make as one of the top 2500 in the world at other professions.

patsinthesnow said:

@MikeReiss: Patriots practice squad pay bumps for Darius Fleming (LB), Asante Cleveland (TE) & Chris Harper (WR) -- from $6,600/week to $10,000/week.

@MikeReiss: Patriots, as well as other teams, sometimes increase salaries of practice squad players in-season as reward for their behind-the-scenes work

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When the Patriots pay PS guys a little extra that is also a sign they expect them to eventually contribute.

patsinthesnow said:

@MikeReiss: Patriots practice squad pay bumps for Darius Fleming (LB), Asante Cleveland (TE) & Chris Harper (WR) -- from $6,600/week to $10,000/week.

@MikeReiss: Patriots, as well as other teams, sometimes increase salaries of practice squad players in-season as reward for their behind-the-scenes work

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Game checks would be even better, but you take what you can get.

mgteich said:

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Football players do not have the opportunity to extrapolate. These players have been paid 6600 for 8 games and will be paid 10000 per game for 8 more. The total is $132,800. Other than per diems to cover room and food, practice players don't make any more than that. Considering that football players have devoted many, many years at zero pay developing their talent, and have an average NFL future of 3-4 years, $132K is not a lot money. To put it another way, they are among the top 2500 people in the entire world in the profession. Consider what you might make as one of the top 2500 in the world at other professions.

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That's a whole lot of reading into something. My comment had nothing to do about they deserve more or anything else. I was making the point that 10,000 a week for 16 weeks or, as you pointed out, 132,800 for a season is in fact good scratch.
But ok, let's look at it this way: 2 years on a practice squad at 132,800 is a significantly positive way for a college graduate to begin his earning power years especially as his college was via scholarship. And whether it is fair to try to be an NFL player (probably not) or whether they deserve more money (I think they do) doesn't change that.

Fyi, you are equating NFL as it's own stand alone occupation. The occupation is professional athlete (or in reality the money earned is from professional entertainment -- though the individual is performing athletics to produce the entertainment dollars that pay his salary).

mgteich said:

Considering that football players have devoted many, many years at zero pay developing their talent

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As opposed to, say, engineers or accountants who are paid all that money to go to college to develop their talent ?

BelichickFan said:

As opposed to, say, engineers or accountants who are paid all that money to go to college to develop their talent ?

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Direct and to the point for sure.
I understand the point MG is driving at (at least I think I do) that football players train at a high level using much of their available time for many years to frequently get an averaged out sum that is modest. But, as you point out, that is a narrow view to conclude when people take out considerable debt to be qualified for occupations that likely will take time and effort to gain earning power that puts the debt into positive perspective.
While it likely is a good investment -- if you are gaining skill that is marketable of course -- it is rough to start out so in the hole with often limited initial earning power.
Fyi, now that I am broke but my son is shortly out of under grad and onto grad school (which he'll be doing on his own 'loaned' dime ), he'll soon likely be able to attest to that fact too.

NICE. Typical under the radar move that helps that Patriots be the team they are. You WANT to be on the Pats PS if you don't make a final 53. Because you know that will be rewarded for your hard work. You know they will move you up if your play deserves it. And because you get to see a healthy number of players making big money who were in exactly the same position as you are in right now. As much as humanly possible, the Pats are a true meritocracy. It is an integral part of the culture that you can feel the moment you walk in the door.

mgteich said:

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Football players do not have the opportunity to extrapolate. These players have been paid 6600 for 8 games and will be paid 10000 per game for 8 more. The total is $132,800. Other than per diems to cover room and food, practice players don't make any more than that. Considering that football players have devoted many, many years at zero pay developing their talent, and have an average NFL future of 3-4 years, $132K is not a lot money. To put it another way, they are among the top 2500 people in the entire world in the profession. Consider what you might make as one of the top 2500 in the world at other professions.

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I get all teared up whenever I think about the plight of those poor, disenfranchised forgotten souls and the anguish they must endure just to survive in everyday life.

TheBostonStraggler said:

it is rough to start out so in the hole with often limited initial earning power.
Fyi, now that I am broke but my son is shortly out of under grad and onto grad school (which he'll be doing on his own 'loaned' dime ), he'll soon likely be able to attest to that fact too.

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Don't even get me started. I'm quickly realizing that one should consider trade school if they aren't going to get any help through grants, scholarships, or family.

My student loan debt will be somewhere around 250,000+ (with interest) if/when I actually live long enough to pay it off. I think my payments are somewhere around 800-900 a month for the next 20 years.

Ryan Tannehill is pissed.

supafly said:

Don't even get me started. I'm quickly realizing that one should consider trade school if they aren't going to get any help through grants, scholarships, or family.

My student loan debt will be somewhere around 250,000+ (with interest) if/when I actually live long enough to pay it off. I think my payments are somewhere around 800-900 a month for the next 20 years.

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That's nuts. I got stuck with 10 grand of her loan in the divorce. She majored in booze, drugs and whoring.

She still hasn't graduated.

Seriously though supa that's great you've followed thru, but that's a crippling #. Sometimes it seems like the harder you try the more effed you are. Shouldn't be like that.

supafly said:

Don't even get me started. I'm quickly realizing that one should consider trade school if they aren't going to get any help through grants, scholarships, or family.

My student loan debt will be somewhere around 250,000+ (with interest) if/when I actually live long enough to pay it off. I think my payments are somewhere around 800-900 a month for the next 20 years.

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I am afraid it is worse than that. To fully pay off a $250k loan at 6% would take almost $1,800/month. The payment plans are usually graduated, so it's 800-900/month in the beginning (pretty much interest only) then payments will rise.

The whole higher education sector has become a massive scam. It is like generational warfare.