Doug Kyed on what he'd do with Garoppolo if the Pats plan to extend Brady

RobertWeathers · Nov 12, 2015

sportnik said:
I know I'm in the minority here & that we are all supposed to take it as gospel that Brady has found the fountain of youth, but I think it would be very irresponsible of the Pats to trade away a promising young QB when Brady is 40 years old. Virtually every other QB in the history of the league had a significant drop off by age 42.

There's a good chance that this strategy leaves us with no legitimate starter within 5 years. I'd be very surprised if Belichick let this happen.

I'm also in the minority.

It's great that Tom is in supreme condition and playing great. That's doesn't mean he's going to play the same way two years from now just because he says so. In two years he may have actually has slowed down.

RobertWeathers · Nov 12, 2015

supafly said:
They are both signed through the 2017 season, meaning that they're not free agents until spring of 2018.

I'm guessing that this isn't something that will be on the minds of anyone like Kraft, Belichick, or Caserio until at least another 12-15-18 months.

Maybe they reassess their position after the 2016 season, as they both head into their final year for 2017. This will tell them how much progress Garappolo has shown, and what level Brady is still playing at.

I think that's fair. Unless they cant figure out the finacials or are far apart on a deal, with Brady playing the way he is he isn't going anywhere regardless of Grap's age and readiness to be a starter.

RobertWeathers · Nov 12, 2015

Kjmass1 said:
BB wildcard move: Brady traded to Texans for 2 1st rounders after 2016 season. Garoppolo extended. Brady then retires.

BOB won't be there with they way he's going.

voluntarysaftey · Nov 12, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
To be fair, the question was premised on the assumption that the Pats plan to extend Brady. I'm not saying they will or they should.

Garoppolo would not get a 1 year 18m contract if he were a free agent after having not played in 4 years.
Garoppolo wouldn't even get 3 years 18m total.

So he would have no trade value if he signed a franchise tag.
He barely has trade value on a rookie contract -- I'm guessing the Pats right now could not get a second rounder for him.

If he was lucky enough to be Franchised, he'd be an idiot to renegotiate that into a multi-year deal that pays a lot less. He'd sign the contract the first second it was presented.

patfanken · Nov 12, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
How do you actually convince him to stay for $3M a year, though?

Good question. That number assumes that over the next 2 years Brady remains as durable as ever and JG doesn't get any meaningful playing time. Without any regular season tape to evaluate him on, I don't think a team would offer him more than $3-4MM a year contract to a "prospect".

Of course that would all change if Brady were ever out for an extended period and JG performed well in his place. Then his trade value goes up as fast as his potential contract price. But without that tape, I wold guess, getting a relatively substantial raise to continue to learn in a winning environment. Why wouldn't he stay.?

james87654 · Nov 12, 2015

supafly said:
I agree with you that Kyed has lost his mind, and that's your main point, but I just have to point out how queasy I get seeing someone type or say that word these days. While you're definitely not the kind of person who would do anything malicious, there are some here on our forum who have children or family members that God handed some extra obstacles to, and those people have my full admiration (and more guts than I could ever show).

Not meaning to nitpick, so full apologies. I've certainly used it myself plenty of times, as well as other words that I'm ashamed of and would like to take back. I would just love to see a world where we begin to stray away from using those words, that's all. Maybe it will catch on and others may think twice in the future by breaking the habit? Sorry again for putting your comment on blast @oldrover.

agreed.....and well said

i could say any number of other slurs and people would be rightfully upset

but people say that slur and no one bats an eye

i dont consider myself to be a really p.c. person......but this inconsistency always confounded me

as far as the topic at hand

brady made me look like a fool

i thought he was declining a year ago

if he is still playing this well next year, its gonna be a really tough call

may have to let jimmy g walk unless they really feel he is the guy

tasmlab · Nov 12, 2015

BelichickFan said:
If Brady plans to play beyond this contract, I'd see if O'Brien still likes him and try to get something like the Texans' #2 this year and next plus Hoyer. This year's #2 would be close to the stolen pick, next year's would get us back the #2 we spent on him and Hoyer would be a good backup. O'Brien may stick with Hoyer or draft his own guy in round one, though.

Are you suggesting trading Brady or JAG? Two #2s and a QB sounds steep for a Pats' backup who's never played, and the Texans fans must be sick of getting Pats backups (not that the fans get to decide)

tasmlab · Nov 12, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
Just let him walk when his contract expires and draft a new back up for the GOAT.

Nothing has changed. Same formula for how we handled Hoyer and Cassel and Mallet.

And even third round pick Kevin O'connel (mcconnel?) who I think is already a coach of some sorts. Garopolo, Cassel, Hoyer and Mallet will all be broadcasters/coaches/drywall hangers before Brady stops winning superbowls.

Oswlek · Nov 12, 2015

I have to ask, what am I supposed to find some illuminating in Kyed's response? That NE wouldn't just dump the guy for nothing but a potential comp pick?

Perhaps the point is going completely over my head, but if there is something material being brought up I'm not seeing it.

Oswlek · Nov 12, 2015

patfanken said:
Without any regular season tape to evaluate him on, I don't think a team would offer him more than $3-4MM a year contract to a "prospect".

Then there is virtually no chance of extending him. When none failures like Cassel command $4mm on the open market, there is no way JG wouldn't get that as a potential starter. Unless the Patriots feel confident he is not a starting caliber QB, they'd need to pony up somewhere around $6mm, IMO, to entice him to stay.

tasmlab · Nov 12, 2015

sportnik said:
I know I'm in the minority here & that we are all supposed to take it as gospel that Brady has found the fountain of youth, but I think it would be very irresponsible of the Pats to trade away a promising young QB when Brady is 40 years old. Virtually every other QB in the history of the league had a significant drop off by age 42.

There's a good chance that this strategy leaves us with no legitimate starter within 5 years. I'd be very surprised if Belichick let this happen.

Belichick will be 68 in five years. He may have his eye on his boat and golf clubs and lacrosse foundation by then. All the same, probably ample time to find a replacement, or least have a good a chance as any, whether it is JAG or somebody else.

everlong · Nov 12, 2015

PP2 said:
The big difference between those three quarterbacks (and pretty much every other quarterbacks at that time) was that they were not taking care of themselves the way Brady does now; they were not continually refining their game to correspond with their physical change (i.e., Brady developing that quick release).

This is not to say that Brady won't get hit, but the way he trains now, not just physically, but mentally and reflexively, it's a lot less likely that he just jaywalks into a big hit the way Montana, Young, and Warner did.

No doubt he takes care of his body like nobody else which is why I'm saying three year minimum window at this level although Young was still playing at a really high level at 38 before his hit and so was Warner at the same age. Still neither looked like Brady does right now. Montana took his big hit at 34 and it took him two years to get back. Once he did he was very good but not the same player.

Agreed it's less likely with Tom due to his regiment and the difference in the rules that doesn't mean you put all your eggs in a 38 year old basket even if the basket looks like it's 28.

primetime · Nov 12, 2015

Oswlek said:
Then there is virtually no chance of extending him. When none failures like Cassel command $4mm on the open market, there is no way JG wouldn't get that as a potential starter. Unless the Patriots feel confident he is not a starting caliber QB, they'd need to pony up somewhere around $6mm, IMO, to entice him to stay.

Which is even assuming he'd want to stay and twiddle his thumbs.

SalemPats · Nov 12, 2015

If a team is smart they trade for Jimmy G. and give up a 2nd and 3rd for him. He's not TB, but is a starter in this league

patfanken · Nov 12, 2015

This is an interesting conversation with lots of good points of view. However the reality of it all is that while it will continue to be a topic of interest f, or US and the mediots; it really won't be an issue for the Pats until the start of the 2017 off season.

5'm nos quite certain the Pats can look forward to quality QB play from Tom Brady for the rest of his current contact (end of 2017 season). After that if I were the Pats, I'd work out an agreement with Tom to work with as series of 2 year contracts that would continue for as long has Tom is interested and playing well. Two years protects the team from any precipitous drop off, and what does Tom really care about the money, but with the new cap numbers, 17-20MM/yr would be reasonable.

Brady6 · Nov 12, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
This is from an "Ask Me Anything" on Reddit.

Thoughts?

Garoppolo has done a terrific job kneeling at the end of games this season but I don't think I would tag him...

Deus Irae · Nov 12, 2015

So.... another "Trade Brady" thread, then?

patman52 · Nov 12, 2015

I would take a top of the round 3rd from the Browns, SF or Houston. If he extends, gets tagged or re-signed, it triggers an additional 2nd. This gives the new team a 2 year tryout for a 3rd, very little downside, the upside to the pats is he performs and the pats may get what is equivalent to a late first.

PATS16N0 · Nov 12, 2015

Some Patriot fans just drastically over-value our backup quarterbacks, always applying some ridiculously overinflated value to them and their abilities.

That was the case with Cassel, a group on this forum thought Mallet was actually worth a 1st rounder, they did it to some degree with Hoyer, and they're doing it again with JAG.

This is just the same delusional and flawed conversation we've been having since like 2008.

It's Ground Hogs day with the Brady backups.

Spoiler alert: Jimmy G is nothing special, he'll never win a Superbowl, and the Patriots without Tom don't win the AFC East, never mind playoff games. Some of you guys need to get freaking real. How many times do you have to have the backup quarterback conversation before you get it?

Tom isn't going anywhere.

lol

PATS16N0 · Nov 12, 2015

Without Tom we get swept by the Jets and probably the Bills. We split with Miami.

We instantly become the 3rd or 4th worst team in the division. Everyone in the AFC East knows this except for Patriot fans, apparently.

As far as the Conferences goes without Tom, just lol.

Brady will be getting extended.

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