Jonas Gray waived by Dolphins/Should Pats sign Gray?

while we're in the joksters' mood.... Robert Turbin has just been waived by the Browns....

Todd Bradley said:

Cadet signed with the Niners, he's gone.

As for Gray, did you all miss the Dolphins game? He was atrocious catching out of the backfield.

No thanks. We already have a power back, and a good one at that. Give me Archer or Moreno.

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I thought Moreno was out for the year.

shmessy said:

I hear ya, but aren't you putting alot of faith in Blount's ability to carry the rock 20 times per game and stay completely healthy?

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It seems like there are only SOME games where he takes 20 carries.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

I thought Moreno was out for the year.

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You're right. Totally forgot.

Meant to say Montee Ball, but that's only if Bill feels he's put his fumbling issue aside.

give archer a look.

50-yard-line said:

I don't think they're going to sign anyone - just a hunch. Still have two guys coming off PUP and signing someone while IR'ing those guys costs $$$...and means they cut someone else.

Bolden is way unappreciated here on this board. Not only is he a special teams monster, he's a decent runner with a good burst off tackle, and can run routes and catch.

Time for White to step up - that's why he's on the damned team! - and time for Bolden to be Bolden, doing everything he's asked to do without a whisper of complaint.

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I don't think Bolden is under-appreciated. Anyone paying attention truly see him as one of the glue-players of this franchise.

People under appreciate White - - and so far, for good reason.

Tunescribe said:

Nabwong, what is that man in your sig doing? Hmm?

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Playing the Bongos of course!

In this risk-averse league, Gray's 200 yard game & SI cover would provide any GM with the rationale they need to pick him up. The fact that the guy can't keep a job doesn't speak well of what he brings.

nabwong said:

Playing the Bongos of course!

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Truly disturbing.

Jonas looked real sucky against us, last week, and was playing angry. He had something to prove, but couldn't make the plays with ball in hand.

My real knock on the guy is that he failed the test where you Deal With Success. You can never know how a guy will react in extreme situations until he's in one. Then, it's a test.

Butler passed the test. Gray failed. How many shots at it do you want? There a lot of UDFAs that deserve a fair look.

I'd rather the Pats pick up another project off the trash heap and try to dust off the next Lewis or Butler or Coleman or Andrews or Hicks or Bostic. It's amazing really, how they find these guys, and it just works.

primetime said:

Maybe Cadet felt like he had more long-term potential to get a long-term contract in San Francisco. Lewis is locked-and-loaded as the receiving back next year, and the Patriots kept White and Bolden over Cadet going into the season. For the Niners, Cadet has no real competition as a third down back in this season, and with a good showing could earn himself a deal similar to Lewis because they have no one but Hyde and a broken down Reggie Bush.

Ultimately, though, I agree with you. The Patriots kept White and Bolden (the latter, albeit, mostly for his special teams contributions) over Cadet; there's no real reason that pecking order would have changed over the intervening 10 weeks.

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I think the main reason they kept White over Cadet was Cadet wasn't healthy and had missed a lot of camp. The proof of how much they liked him, was they gave him a roster spot, even though they knew he wasn't ready yet. But they didn't like him enough to wait for him to get healthy, and he was cut. When it turned out the Lewis was even better than expected, they didn't even sign him to the PS when they had a chance. In other word, they moved on.

The fact is that no matter who they sign, they aren't going to replace Dion Lewis' skill set. What they can do is figure out how they are going to make up for his production. Which is over 100 yds/game. Other people are going to have to be put in position to do that. It would be great if White/Boldin can contribute 50. Maybe they can put in a few pass plays for Blount. Maybe DA gets a few snaps in the backfield. Whatever.

It is unfortunate, but no one person is going to create the production we would have gotten from Dion. The best we can do is create plays that will spread the loss around. Now let us see if we can continue to keep the offense at 450-500 yds/game, and 30 pts/game. Josh McDaniels is a guy with the chops to do it

patfanken said:

What they can do is figure out how they are going to make up for his production. Which is over 100 yds/game.

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He was getting about 88 total ypg. I liked Lewis, too, and he made some great plays. But his production can be replaced. His biggest rushing output, by far, was in week one with 69 yards. The biggest question in my mind is if White can pick up the pass rush as well as Lewis did. Lewis did great at that this year.

aluminum seats said:

Truly disturbing.

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Disagree, @Tunescribe? Really?

50-yard-line said:

he's a decent runner

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He's really not. He's OK as an emergency 3rd down back since he can catch and block well, but his running has been terrible for a while now. He looked even worse than White in the preseason.

Todd Bradley said:

Meant to say Montee Ball, but that's only if Bill feels he's put his fumbling issue aside.

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Ball is awful whether he holds onto the ball or not. I'll be shocked if he is signed.

aluminum seats said:

Disagree, @Tunescribe? Really?

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No, I didn't find it disturbing at all. I kind of enjoyed it.

nabwong said:

Playing the Bongos of course!

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It takes a village.....person.

rookBoston said:

Jonas looked real sucky against us, last week, and was playing angry. He had something to prove, but couldn't make the plays with ball in hand.

My real knock on the guy is that he failed the test where you Deal With Success. You can never know how a guy will react in extreme situations until he's in one. Then, it's a test.

Butler passed the test. Gray failed. How many shots at it do you want? There a lot of UDFAs that deserve a fair look.

I'd rather the Pats pick up another project off the trash heap and try to dust off the next Lewis or Butler or Coleman or Andrews or Hicks or Bostic. It's amazing really, how they find these guys, and it just works.

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Wow, you make it sound so easy........ but are forgetting Khyri Thornton, Travaris Cadet, Bradley Fletcher, Ryan Groy, Dekoda Watson, Robert McLain, Casey Walker, Eric Kettani, Harland Gunn, Fred Davis, Cimdi Chekwa.........

aluminum seats said:

Truly disturbing.

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It's better than an ice cream crapping unicorn.

Funny stuff guys, but let's get this thread back onto subject, thanks!

It really is sad that the kid worked hard his whole life for this opportunity and somehow managed to blow it apparently with just a poor attitude or a smart mouth. Years of preparation for just a few moments of disintegration.